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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1411160
15/02/2013 19:02
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so with the bigger rotors from the lancia .... we would just need a new caliper mount and use our existing calipers ?

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1411172
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:-D I'm almost sure.

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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1411173
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Whats the thickness of the lancia discs?

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1411176
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28mm i think

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: ] #1411650
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Originally Posted By: THE_G
so with the bigger rotors from the lancia .... we would just need a new caliper mount and use our existing calipers ?

No - the point is to use the Alfa GT 3.2 (or GTA 330mm) calipers, these are bolt on. The Coupe calipers would not fit.
Originally Posted By: Hyperlink
Whats the thickness of the lancia discs?

They're exactly like the Alfa 330mm, only with Fiat 4x98mm pattern! smile

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1411652
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They are not the same as GTA 330 *32 , and this one is 28 mm:) that's men that coupe caliper + adapter's

Spec for alfa GTA 330 -> 330mm x 32 thickness ; 5x98
lancia delta III tbi -> 330mm x 28 thickness ; 4x98

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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1411681
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Ok am I right in thinking there are two options for a 330mm set up and both require larger alloys?

1) Alfa gt or gta 3.2 caliper and 330mm discs. Discs require redrilling to 4 stud but calipers are a straight fit.

2) Lancia Delta III 330mm discs and Coupe Brembo calipers. The discs are a straight fit but the calipers require a bespoke spacer. I think it's these 330mm x 28mm discs. If so they look to have identical dimensions to the 20VT brembos with the exception of being 330mm over 305mm.

I looked at the 166 3.0 discs and I'm not sure they will work. The centre diameter is 0.5mm smaller and overall height is 1.3mm taller meaning the disc would sit further away from the middle of the hub towards the engine. I think this would result in uneven wear of the disc and pads.

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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1411696
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Ouch forgot the thickness difference..

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1411701
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:-P Too much coffe or butter smile hehe

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1411810
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if you could get those lancia discs drilled they would suit the le style discs and at 330mm looks like a serious piece of kit for not alot of money , so just an adapter plate is needed ?

wont matter for me i bought some cheap discs n pads to use just now till i work out what to upgrade too

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: ] #1415401
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Anyone thinking of doing this upgrade?


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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Freddan72] #1416052
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Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Anyone thinking of doing this upgrade?

I've design an adaptor to fit the brembo calipers with 330mm discs.

[img]http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/864/calew.jpg[/img]

I'm waiting for 1 or 2 dimensions to be sure it will fit to original bracket . wink

Then I will ask for a price for a pair of this kind (the design will be different for right and Left wheel)

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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: ] #1416139
15/03/2013 18:07
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Originally Posted By: Julien
Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Anyone thinking of doing this upgrade?

I've design an adaptor to fit the brembo calipers with 330mm discs.

[img]http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/864/calew.jpg[/img]

I'm waiting for 1 or 2 dimensions to be sure it will fit to original bracket . wink

Then I will ask for a price for a pair of this kind (the design will be different for right and Left wheel)

Can you send drawing to me? Pretty please smile


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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Freddan72] #1416146
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Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Originally Posted By: Julien
Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Anyone thinking of doing this upgrade?

I've design an adaptor to fit the brembo calipers with 330mm discs.

[img]http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/864/calew.jpg[/img]

I'm waiting for 1 or 2 dimensions to be sure it will fit to original bracket . wink

Then I will ask for a price for a pair of this kind (the design will be different for right and Left wheel)

Can you send drawing to me? Pretty please smile


Once the prototype is ok, I will share it for free yes (but I want to have the first model on laugh ).

For now there wouldn't be any interest as I know some dimensions are wrong.

It should be machined in an 7000 series aluminium (for mechanical resistance).
Maybe a heat shield will be needed for trackday enthusiasts

The thickness will be between 25mm and 30mm to be able to bolt it to the originl bracket with the same torque without breaking the thread (as the aluminium is softer than steel).

A have already the 286mm(16VT)/305mm(20VT)/330mm(delta844) discs modelized on CAD.

This is the dimensions I need :

[img]http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5500/dsc003783.jpg[/img]

The green one should be 130mm and M12*1.75

The red one...I'm still waiting for it.

It must be taken from the green line to the lower part of the pad (in contact with the disc).

Then I need the height of the pad at the middle and it will be good wink

Don't hesitate to reply if you have brembo's on your table laugh

Last edited by Julien; 15/03/2013 19:23.
Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: ] #1416203
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How much have you moved the holes in the bracket?
12.5 mm?


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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Freddan72] #1416280
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You mean from radius to radius?

More than that.

It's about 16 or 20mm so center to center should be around 30mm

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1416286
16/03/2013 18:25
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oh one more thing 16v/vt 284 diameter ;-)

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: ] #1416316
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Sorry I missed that you have 16vt. It should be 23 mm for you.


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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1416318
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I.m not planing to change brakes , but for 16 vt user i found other way.

Diffrent idea for 16VT brake upgrade
Caliper from brera (they are 28mm disc ready) they've got longer disc pad 130mm but they are radial mount ( something like this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/pascs/alfa/brakes/Brembofront.jpg ). You will ask why..this type is more popular.

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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Freddan72] #1416467
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Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Sorry I missed that you have 16vt. It should be 23 mm for you.


It's more complicated than that.

The calipers are not the same and the mounting points are different from 16vt and 20vt.

I can't just offset the holes by X millimeters. wink

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: ] #1416522
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Can you take a pic of the mounting holes?

Does it look like this Alfa GTV Turbo?
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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Freddan72] #1422571
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Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Can you take a pic of the mounting holes?

Does it look like this Alfa GTV Turbo?
click to enlarge


Yes the mounting holes are like this.

I have (with a couple of french coupe owners) design the adapter...I will try it in a few days and make the modification if necessary.

The first model will be for 20vt hub (it was easier to design at first time).

For now the adapter look like this.

click to enlarge

laugh

Last edited by Julien; 17/04/2013 18:08.
Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1422589
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how much $$$ this adapters?

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: ] #1422642
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Originally Posted By: burnbike
how much $$$ this adapters?


It should be under 150€ for the 2 adapters (left and right) wink

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1422695
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why not go the whole hog like my brothers celica http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m508/louieuk/st185/P1080008.jpg

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: volumex] #1422731
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sorry for a slight off topic hi-jack but I have the alfa conversion and was wondering where you can get 2 piece 330 rotors (in 5x98 pcd)

cheers

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: volumex] #1422734
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Originally Posted By: volumex
why not go the whole hog like my brothers celica http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m508/louieuk/st185/P1080008.jpg


The tarox kit is a very good one, but it cost at least 1000€ for the 330mm kit.

Now we are speaking about 300€ with brake discs and adapters.

It won't be as powerfull as the tarox kit but it's a good option for fast road/track enthusiast at a lower cost wink

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: ] #1422802
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Originally Posted By: Julien
Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Can you take a pic of the mounting holes?

Does it look like this Alfa GTV Turbo?
click to enlarge


Yes the mounting holes are like this.

I have (with a couple of french coupe owners) design the adapter...I will try it in a few days and make the modification if necessary.

The first model will be for 20vt hub (it was easier to design at first time).

For now the adapter look like this.

click to enlarge

laugh


Nice!! Send a drawing to me when you are finished wink
And please add pics after installation.


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Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1457965
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Bump ! laugh

I've taken a few photos of the caliper adapter to show you the actual (aluminium) protoype for 16VT with brembo and 330mm discs.

The 20vt version should be ready soon

It's not the final version, the last one may be in 3 pieces and in stainless steel (stronger, cheaper and easier to build).

[img]http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2115/71da.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8463/8o20.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/199/p91m.jpg[/img]

Any comments? rolleyes

Re: Alfa 330mm rotors [Re: Per] #1458054
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Look nice, but i think that they are a litle bit off center on the caliper. but maybe the photo only. Please rethink radial mount calliper from brera or other they are much common and they've got longer (larger) brake pads.

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