Fiat Coupe Forum
- Founded by Kayjey & James Northam
- Funded by the Club for the benefit of all owners
Fiat Coupe Club UK
join the club
Fiat Coupe Forum
 
» Announced
    Posting images


» Related sites
    Main club site
    fiatcoupe.net


» External data
    owners listed
 
Who's Online Now
1 registered members (carmine), 236 guests, and 1 spider.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums69
Topics113,578
Posts1,340,910
Members1,797
Most Online731
Jan 14th, 2020
Top Posters(All Time)
barnacle 33,545
stan 32,122
Theresa 23,299
PeteP 21,510
bockers 21,071
JimO 17,917
Nigel 17,367
Edinburgh 16,750
RSS Feeds
Club Events
Club Information
Track Events
Rolling Road/RWYB
Social Events
Non-UK Events
Coupé Related Chat
Coupé Spotting
Coupé News/Press
Buying/Selling Advice
Insuring a Coupé
Basic FAQ's
How to Guides
Forum Issues
Technical Problems
General Maintenance
Styling
Tuning
Handling
ICE and Alarm
Coupés for Sale
Coupés Wanted
Parts for Sale
Parts Wanted
Group Buys
Business Forum
Other Vehicles for Sale/Wanted
Other Items for Sale/Wanted
Haggling/Offers
Ebay links
Other Cars
Other Websites
General Chat
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Just been to Surrey RR - comments please #1348355
02/06/2012 22:47
02/06/2012 22:47

J
jamesb
Unregistered
jamesb
Unregistered
J



Went to Surrey rolling road yesterday just to satisfy my curiosity and check that the car was behaving as it should. I'd appreciate any comments on the graphs below. Car is a standard 20VT plus with a gtec 1.

click to enlarge

click to enlarge

click to enlarge

click to enlarge

Last edited by jamesb; 02/06/2012 22:48.
Re: Just been to Surrey RR - comments please [Re: ] #1348359
02/06/2012 23:12
02/06/2012 23:12
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,367
Staffordshire
Nigel Offline
Forum veteran
Nigel  Offline
Forum veteran

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,367
Staffordshire
Just about perfect and exactly what would be expected on a G-Tech'd Coupe

The boost spike as it spools is a little high, but it soon pulls back, so probably not worth worrying about

I'd say you should be pleased with these results - what mileage has the car done?


[Linked Image]
Re: Just been to Surrey RR - comments please [Re: ] #1348364
02/06/2012 23:16
02/06/2012 23:16

J
jamesb
Unregistered
jamesb
Unregistered
J



Thanks. That was sort of my gut feel but I wasn't very confident as I have very little experience really.

Boost spike was mentioned as being a bit high but it looked like a brief overboost to me so probably nothing to worry about as you say.

I am pleased and it confirms that the car is nice and healthy - 87k miles 2000 car which I've had from day 1 smile

Re: Just been to Surrey RR - comments please [Re: ] #1348532
03/06/2012 20:07
03/06/2012 20:07

P
proccy
Unregistered
proccy
Unregistered
P



Nice one, and a top-of-the-range Plus too love

Update - Just been to Surrey RR - comments please [Re: ] #1435776
30/06/2013 12:30
30/06/2013 12:30
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 5,405
Castle Combe
Flea Offline
Forum is my life
Flea  Offline
Forum is my life

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 5,405
Castle Combe
Following on from the Surrey results last year, James recently came to Bristol for a Stage 1 remap having previously discussed what he wanted from the car and the benefits this would bring. The Surrey dyno showed the car to be running ok, albeit a little low on power given the chip upgrade. Anyway, first up was to run it up on our dyno to get a good baseline before any mapping took place.

As presented (Standard + G-Tec 1 chip)
231bhp @ 5961rpm
234lbs/ft @ 4740rpm
191 wheel power @ 5682rpm

We did two runs the first giving slightly less power at 227bhp & 231lbs/ft. What is interesting here is that the power and torque are almost identical to the Surrey Dyno Dynamics, with peak power being made at the same 5900rpm. The main difference was the air fuel ratio, which proved to be a lot richer going into the mid-10s. This was corroborated by my own lambda against the dyno lambda, so suggests that the SRR lambda was perhaps a little off that day.

So to the mapping, well for a totally standard car, the biggest gains are always made within the mid-range as this is where the turbo and engine are most efficient. Although not quite as extreme, we will also see gains off-boost and with part throttle thus making the car more drivable and responsive. For James’s car, given that we could not increase boost beyond what he was already running, it is very satisfying to be able bring everything else into perfect harmony in order to effect a significant increase in performance and enjoyment. The results were excellent in this regard, showing immediately in the first drive on the road.


FC Stage 1
247bhp @ 5608rpm
260lbs/ft @ 4358rpm
216 wheel power @ 5233rpm

click to enlarge click to enlarge click to enlarge

Great to see a well looked after Plus that James has owned from new cool I didn't mention this on the day (had to double check), but James's Coupe was number 500 that has received an FC Performance upgrade smile


[Linked Image]

Re: Update - Just been to Surrey RR - comments please [Re: ] #1435936
01/07/2013 10:34
01/07/2013 10:34

J
jamesb
Unregistered
jamesb
Unregistered
J



I have to say, that after I got the car back from you Flea, it has been driving beautifully. It has made a very noticeable difference and feels significantly better which I hadn't really expected to be as noticeable given the numerical increases made.

It's also interesting that that the SRR dyno and the one you used gave the same results - I had expected some variation as you did.

Congratulations on your landmark 500th Coupe remap! As everyone else has said after visiting you, I can't recommend your work highly enough - you spent a long time getting my car just right with a high attention to detail and were a thoroughly nice person to deal with. All in all, an excellent experience.

One question that has literally just popped into my head reading those results above - the flywheel power has gone up by 16bhp, but the wheel power has gone up by 25 bhp. Any idea why this is the case?

Re: Update - Just been to Surrey RR - comments please [Re: Flea] #1436472
04/07/2013 12:26
04/07/2013 12:26
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,390
Essex
Trappy Offline
Forum is my life
Trappy  Offline
Forum is my life

Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,390
Essex
Originally Posted By: Flea
FC Stage 1
247bhp @ 5608rpm
260lbs/ft @ 4358rpm
216 wheel power @ 5233rpm


This is... strange. My mate had his standard 20vT mapped by Leighton back in November 2009. Here are the results:

FC Stage 1
247.3bhp @ 5636rpm
259.5lbs/ft @ 4418rpm
216.8 wheel power @ 5263rpm

His name is James laugh


F****** b****** thing...
Re: Update - Just been to Surrey RR - comments please [Re: ] #1436493
04/07/2013 15:47
04/07/2013 15:47

J
jamesb
Unregistered
jamesb
Unregistered
J



Hah, yeah that is pretty freaky!


Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1
(Release build 20190129)
PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.011s Queries: 14 (0.005s) Memory: 0.7734 MB (Peak: 0.8684 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2024-04-19 22:14:43 UTC