Kent Rolling Road Day - Dynotech

Dynotech has one of the best RR's in Kent. A 2009 Dyno Dynamics 4WD 2400hp jobby and not to mention a massive workshop to have a look around in!

I know the owner very well and he's very happy to hold a Kent Fiat Coupe rolling road event if there's enough interest.

It will be £50 for 5 runs on each car measuring boost pressure, AFR and anything else you wish to have checked.

Date is yet to be confirmed but we're just seeking interest first and foremost.

So who's game?

1. Didcoop
2.
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Plus 10 is £35+vat... for shootout, is that different to the runs above?

I'm a little lost?

Oh and also you'll receive printouts of:

AFR, Tractive Effort, Boost, Flywheel power, Flywheel torque and power at the wheels.

Clicky link

Check this link, show's a shoot out price as £35+vat is this just a single run compared to having the full works? AFR, etc?

Just enquiring

That's a very valid point actually! I'll have to chat to Bob (the owner) tommorrow and get the price adjusted for the day

If a non-turbo is welcome, I'd be interested to see what my chariot is running at

It's a general Coupe day my friend, n/a's and turbos all allowed

I'll be up for it

Cool, count me in then

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Insy

Good start folks!

lets see if I can make standard power

My car is completely standard apart from a Powerflow exhaust. One of the last made engines put into it (on 45k) with spot on compression.

What do we think?

I'd be up for this - depending on when and if price can be brought down a bit for say a single run or 2. Completely standard so keen to see if still cuts it.

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Insy
4. Cyborg7

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Insy
4. Cyborg7
5. tom_snelling

If this is soon, Ill use it as my pre-map test run.

If its ok to come in my Punto, abeit with a 16VT lump in it!

They know me down there, last time I went there it wasnt very successful!

Yeh I'm sure it's all good matey, right 5 more !

What sort of dates are you looking at Didcoop?

i could be up for this but i dont see the point in having 5 runs?

I think Didcoop was going to confirm the details of what the costs were and what you get. The point is they can test different aspects AFR, power

DidCoop I'm jumping to this ship. Let us know the details

tim

Didcoop did you manage to squeeze any more info from dynotech?

Oooh that's a good point, I'll get this info tomorrow!

Right it's £35 each for that you get 5 runs with 4 different graphs (AFR, Tractive Effort, Boost, Flywheel power, Flywheel torque and power at the wheels).

Boost pressure will be measured and AFR also.

So who's game?

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Insy
4. Cyborg7
5. tom_snelling

Me! Whats date?

Im up for this Didcoop, depending on what date you come up with.
Ive been to Hayes engineering a couple of times with the MLR forum, my mates got a 420bhp evo 4.
Think i may have spoke to you before Didcoop, at least i spoke to someone there that had a 16vt.

This place has plenty of parking and viewing space, makes for a good day out.

Right 2 dates available:

Sunday 2nd May or Sunday 27th April

Which ever's easier for everyone.

Yep that would be me you spoke to Dan and I remember your Porto well as I was saying how lovely it is!

Yep as Dan says PLENTY of parking space and a well-worthwhile event to attend!

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Insy
4. Cyborg7
5. tom_snelling
6. Nievelc
7. R1DAN

More more more! Come on guys it's what us Kent bods need!

erm, the 27th April is a Tuesday, do you mean 25th April??

Personally I would prefer the April date due to AutoItalia @ Brooklands on that May weekend

id be up 4 that where abouts in kent is it cheers kris 16vt

c'mon dude it's at the top of the page!

Erith Kent and yes I meant 27th my bad!

May for me unless chugged by the group!

Can't take time off work during the week so Sunday may 2nd is ok for me too

2nd is ok for me. Makes it a bit harder to get my pass stamped after AutoItalia @ Brooklands day before, but 2nd is my birthday plus its a bank holiday weekend. Happy days!

Be a mad Coupe weekender that's for sure!

Either day should be fine for me, whatever everybody else is happy with.

Im down there on the 10th of april aswell, another MLR dyno day.
Should be good, last event there were a couple of 700hp evo's!

Either day should be ok.

Right 2nd May it is confirmed. The more the merrier so come on down and run your Coupe!

Don't forget this is the day after Brooklands so it's going be a real Coupe weekender!

yeah mate ill def come it will be good to see what bhp my car is running as i havent had it that long and its got a few mods now what sort of time u all meeting cheers kris 16vt

i might just come and have a look, my coupe wont be legal for a while unless i have it towed there

I will try and make this to check things out after getting my new turbo stuck on. I'm at Brooklands the day before so depends if I can blag another pass.

Is that a pass from the mrs

Can I come?

Yes mate more the merrier!

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Insy
4. Cyborg7
5. tom_snelling
6. Nievelc
7. R1DAN
8. yellafella
9. singhting

3 more spaces available!

Anymore people?

I'll ask Neal if he's up for it when he gets back from holiday, he's got a pug 306 GTI6 not sure he's bothered about the power or afr though

I dont think I can do May 2nd, but Ill be at Brooklands (fingers crossed) so come and say hello!

hi guys,didcoop where do you live mate?i living erith and i dont know abaout this place.count me in aswell i will be there 2.may isnt it?on sunday?

Yes indeed that's the date, glad to see another Coupe

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Insy
4. Cyborg7
5. tolga20VTURBO
6. Nievelc
7. R1DAN
8. yellafella
9. singhting

Still got 3 spaces if needed

May the 2nd is on a sunday.
Didcoop, if there is space on the day my mate would like to run his Puma, would that be ok?

Had a really good day yesterday at the MLR dyno day, Bob is a really nice bloke. They even had a bbq going!

Yeah no worries it isn't Coupe only but will obviously entail mostly Coupes hopefully!

And yeah Bob is quality, he rang earlier to tell me about the day yesterday, sounded good!

Do you know what the costs are yet? £50 was mentioned earlier, then £35?

Not overly sure I'd need to have 5 runs on the rollers? Or do they take an average? No idea how it works really

Really what I'm interested to find out is the current bhp and torque figures.

Insy we have 5 runs for £35. 5 runs are for different aspects, afr, bhp, etc

Gives you peace of mind that everything is running as it should be.

Hope that's helpful

Nievelc has it spot on matey!

Ah cool. Ta muchly

Hi - any idea what sort of time in the day people are aiming to get there for?

hmm not sure, maybe 2??? or is that too late?

good question, how long does it take to test all the cars going. I'm not bothered time wise what time we get there.

It starts at 9am so make sure you turn up any time between 9 and 10am to confirm your slot!

9am is good for me. See you all there.

Im going have to pull out of this one my brakes are effed need new discs and pads..

If they get done by then il be there

Right we can still accomodate one or 2 more Coupes so get your names down. Infact they don't even have to be Coupes but that would be preferable!

There will be lots of action, cars, food, hot and cold drinks, cameras, everything you want in an RR Day!

So come down!

you didn't mention food before?!

I presume it's a burger van ?

Nope Bob's Mrs makes a nice spread of varied sarnys and Bob brings in loads of Pringles and other crisps.

Not to mention there's a drinks machine and cafe over the road that'll be open too

Can a mate bring his mk5 golf gti? Just thinking we've not got many more names so would he be welcome?

Yes indeed matey!

Cool

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Insy
4. Cyborg7
5. tolga20VTURBO
6. Nievelc
7. R1DAN
8. yellafella
9. Matt (Insy's mate) - Golf MkV

Sorry guys, can't make this. I did say at the start it was only a possible.
Have to go to Bristol instead on the Sunday, sorry

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Insy
4. Cyborg7
5. tolga20VTURBO
6. Nievelc
7. R1DAN
8. Matt (Insy's mate) - Golf MkV

Oh dear, we need 2 more cars. Anyone who's bringing Coupes and has friends with cars who want them run on the rollers and a generally awesome day get their names down or just turn up on the day!

Dont forget Didcoop my mate wants to run his puma aswell, so back up to 9 again!

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Insy
4. Cyborg7
5. tolga20VTURBO
6. Nievelc
7. R1DAN
8. Matt (Insy's mate) - Golf MkV
9. Luke (R1DAN's mate) - Puma 1.7

Ah good stuff!

Also we have:

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Insy
4. Cyborg7
5. tolga20VTURBO
6. Nievelc
7. R1DAN
8. Matt (Insy's mate) - Golf MkV
9. Luke (R1DAN's mate) - Puma 1.7
10. Richcinq
11. Daz (Richcinq's mate) - Supra Twin Turbo

Definitely going be a good day

didcoop is there still a space 4 me in my 16vt cheers kris

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Cyborg7
4. tolga20VTURBO
5. Nievelc
6. R1DAN
7. Luke (R1DAN's mate) - Puma 1.7
8. Richcinq
9. Daz (Richcinq's mate) - Supra Twin Turbo

Sorry. Just been diagnosed with chicken pox

Sorry to hear this chap!

Bungles you're in...

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Bungles
4. Cyborg7
5. tolga20VTURBO
6. Nievelc
7. R1DAN
8. Matt (Insy's mate) - Golf MkV
9. Luke (R1DAN's mate) - Puma 1.7
10. Richcinq
11. Daz (Richcinq's mate) - Supra Twin Turbo

Erm Diddy arent you forgetting something? What about the BEAST!!


1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Bungles
4. Cyborg7
5. tolga20VTURBO
6. Nievelc
7. R1DAN
8. Matt (Insy's mate) - Golf MkV
9. Luke (R1DAN's mate) - Puma 1.7
10. Richcinq- Fiat Scudo Van
11. Daz (Richcinq's mate) - Supra Twin Turbo

Rich

Rich your van is a monster! lol

Plus we will have a focus rs there too

1. Diddy
2. Duncan78
3. Bungles
4. Cyborg7
5. tolga20VTURBO
6. Nievelc
7. R1DAN
8. Matt (Insy's mate) - Golf MkV
9. Luke (R1DAN's mate) - Puma 1.7
10. Richcinq- Fiat Scudo Van
11. Daz (Richcinq's mate) - Supra Twin Turbo
12. Baker - RS Focus

I may take a detour to have a nosey at what you've done to my Coupe Sir David.

I'm not interested in finding out how little power my GTi has got though, I'd imagine it's somewhere the wrong side of 120bhp so not overly exciting!!

That's just a warning though, I may just turn up and kick the tyres! Depends on traffic and hangover though...

Sounds good Phil you'll see "my" Coupe has come quite a long way

I'l come, will come and give it a look but can someone pm me the address cheers

Right it all kicks off at 9.30-10am so make sure you're there guys!

It looks to be a good day!

Just to let you guys know I'm bring my coupe, it needs a MOT and then I can tax it today using my debit card
I'm usual thoughtless and never ring MOT stations to ask if they have a slot free so me getting there on opening time, it's my best chance to get it done, it's near dartford say between 9.30-10am today

Absolute top day, cheers for organising Diddy real shame I couldn't hang around longer to see the beasts on the rollers!!

Fully recommend the guys at Dynotech

Agree and big thanks again for organising Didcoop. A trip to Flea beckons. Can you or anyone else point me in the right direction of anywhere that explains the graphs more please. A lot of it went over my head. I'll try googling but wondered if there was a good site you'd come across that explains it all in idiots terms for the likes of me. Cheers again Chris

Mate ask away and questions on your graphs and between Bob and me we'll be happy to help!

A great turnout and some lovely cars and great results to be had!

I hope everyone enjoyed themselves, I certainly did

Awesome day, thanks for organising it Diddy

Will post some pics up in the coupe related chat section.

Nice one Duncan Glad you enjoyed it bud!

I had a really good day and it was nice to see coupes on the dyno for a change!

Was very impressed with the torque figures the 16vt were making, must be fun on the road.
Will have to go out in one next time.

Dave, did you stay and see what power the impreza and supra made?

Graphs?

It's a better kept secret than KFC's finger licking chicken

i was happy with mine, more upgrades first then off for mapping, 300+bhp here i come

also any pics or vids of it?

Here is one of mine, was only at 1.35 bar of boost.
Tried turning the boost up but forgot to turn the warning up aswell, so it kept knocking back.

And another, this one has torque on the graph aswell.
316 bhp and just over 300 lbft torque.

Not bad, I doubt the BHP would have go up much past 1.35 bar anyhow as it tails off just before the power starts to peak. What’s the torque? Have you got a graph of torque vs BHP?

Ok just seen you added the graph and the torque drops off with the boost past 5000rpm as I expected, I think that turbo runs out of steam past 5000rpm nether the less Figures look good for your setup.

It is smooth and fast on the road, think Leighton done a good job mapping it.

My Blitz boost controller was telling me peak boost was 1.5bar, but the dyno was showing 1.35bar max?
They were taken from different points though, my controller runs off the recirc valve point and the dyno was joint to the fpr.

I didnt think there would be a difference in the two though.

Yes there will be. My blitz did exactly the same. You need to use the correct size tubing and connect it to a point which will not interfere like the back of the manifold (even though they do connect here eventually). Temperature and pipe length has an effect on the Blitz.

Will have to change that then.
I suppose its a good thing though, i thought i was running 1.5bar and pushing it a bit, but turns out its only 1.35.
Still enough for it to pop though!

He did do about 6 runs, but the charge temp was climbing on the later ones so called it a day.

The thing is Dan it doesn't matter...just go outside and rev it and listen to that exhaust. If mine sounded like yours I think I'd live in it lol!

Should have got a 5 pot then

Cheers Did, yea it does sound nice a liitle on the loud side though, was 101db on the meter yesterday!

I may just get into a evening session at brands, lets hope i dont have to do a drive past sound test, 102db noise limit.

What and not have that turbocharged Lampredi twin cam engine/exhaust note? I don't think so!

Besides 285ft lb torque serves me well

Dont, you will have all the 16vt crew on your back now!
20vt's do sound better though, sorry.

The 16vt's do have really good torque figures for the bhp they have, both done really well yesterday.

Anymore graphs people?

Coming tomorrow!

Ill get my graph up soon, just editing the photos from yesterday

shame i missed this woulda liked to of come along! dan them figures are quite a bit different to the rollers you was on at flea's. trappy had the same with his when he went and had it on track and road's rollers. Seems the rollers that flea uses over read?

oh yes! the zavoli lpg kit can be tuned
Tuning kit

just spoke to a zavoli dealer and my kit can handle application as far as he knows to 350bhp, like dodge rames

Maybe mate, different rollers different day make it hard to say.
My mate has a Evo that made 427hp at Hayes, three weeks later same dyno it only made 406hp.

On the road it is fast and smooth, and is really good on fuel. Im a happy man!

yeah suppose, i bet it pull's hard you still coming to the meet next sunday?

Yea will be there, hopefully we will have a decent turn out.

What is your full engine spec?

2.25 Supersprint cat back, k&n panel filter, PRV and Gtech1.

Ordered EBV today from flea to help with boost a little and keep the engine management features.

Slight boost spike to 1.11 bar pressure then back to 1.05 bar, hopefully EBV should sort and make car a little nicer to drive!

and 2.0 20V turboinator

Looks like a good amount of power for your setup, I would be happy with the results. Fuelling looks good maybe a tad lean between 3000-4000, small boost spike as turbo kicks in as expected on PRV but nothing to worry about. My next step would be a FMIC (keep the temps down) and maybe a re-map (fuel economy & piece of mind) after the EBC. Keep the standard fuel pump but do the voltage mod and you will have a sorted bit of kit for a very little spend.

Cheers dude! I always thought the FMIC might hinder my spool up time? EBV is being supplied (lemonade pockets im afraid!) The remap is on the cards though I'll investigate whats going on with temps to make sure im not chasing a red herring.

Thanks again Didcoop. Below are the results from the day for LE#134. It was a bit busy to take it all in but although the graphs below show it wasn't far off the manufaturers quoted details of 220bhp, there seems to be a bit too much of a spike and also concern that it was running lean.

Its down to be serviced by Rog in the next few weeks so I'll get it checked but strikes me that a trip to Flea beckons. If anyone can advise then I'd be grateful. There was thinking that the solonoid or actuator might be misbehaving - but lots of this went over my head so if anyone can explain in simple terms (ideally using puppets).

For info. its completely standard 98 LE. Supersprint exhaust, engine around 50k. On the day for Brooklands I filled up with shell v-power thinking it would do it good and weirdly it felt more sluggish than usual - but probably all in my head.

The standard solonoid is not much use at all doesnt hold boost and spikes quite badly. If your heading up to see flea he can supply an uprated model and create a custom map.

My car has a very similar response on the graphs to Cyborgs car, what is the solonoid and where abouts is it?!

What uprated part do you recommend??

Solenoid is here Get cursor here and tap that button

This controls your boost, maintaining levels and preventing spikes.

Really nice coop you had aswell!

You can get a more up to date version of said solenoid from Dink. That's what I'm running and it's much more smooth!

Tim, your uprated EBV has gone in the post today so should be with you tomorrow

Thanks for this - didn't realise the EBV and solenoid are one of the same. I'm guessing that getting a replacement or uprated EBV would sort out the spiking, but isn't going to address the fact that its running lean and that a remapping needed to stop this?

Any idea how much an uprated EBV is?

Should be around £100 for this, speak to Dink / Flea they both do uprated models and both really nice chaps! Re-mapping most likely will be required or shove a banana up your exhaust to stem the airflow a bit

Tim