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Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days

Posted By: Flea

Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 08:20

Ben (aka Watz on here), one of our quieter members, recently dropped his Coupe off for a little fettling. Driving down from Liverpool with the car stuffed to the brim with various bits and bobs, the standard coupe was in for a performance makeover wink

Anyway, the results are in from the local Dastek dyno...

1.4bar
396bhp & 331lbs/ft
343whp

1.3bar
381bhp & 318lbs/ft
331whp

1.2bar
355bhp & 299lbs/ft
306whp

The car has been mapped for 1bar, 1.1bar, 1.2bar, 1.3bar and 1.45bar on the five Blitz channels. Have to say it drives really nicely off boost and is nice and smooth coming on boost, a very fast car though!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 08:35

Awesome results as always Leighton. cool
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 09:05

Excellent results leighton.

wheres the list of all the uprgardes hes done from standard??
Posted By: Flea

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 09:26

GT2871R 0.86
H&S downpipe
Bluflame 2.75" exhaust
Tubular manifold
Pro-Alloy FMIC
Pro-Alloy SIP
RamAir filter
Helix paddle clutch
Lightened flywheel
Walbro 255 fuel pump + battery feed
NGK 7 plugs
Blitz SBC boost controller
440cc injectors
Stage 4 remap

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 10:04

Glad to see the SBC doing it's job. wink
Posted By: flyingcustard

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 10:45

nice one cool but is it still on standard internals? shocked
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 12:53

cool
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 14:49

Originally Posted By: flyingcustard
nice one cool but is it still on standard internals? shocked


yeah im pretty sure he is still on standard internals too. wink
Posted By: Benny

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 14:53

Thats scary on standard internals shocked

Good result though wink

Ben
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 15:53

hes as brave as me,but i had 1.5bar to the redline on a gt3071r
Posted By: Flea

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 17:04

Actually it's not so bad on the standard rods and pistons. The boost pressure is modest, 1.1-1.3bar being the daily drive and the torque is not too high at 300-320lbs/ft so within spec for the rods. Basically you have a very efficient setup that is only tickling the turbo!
Posted By: Benny

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 17:38

Any graphs flea,

Ben
Posted By: Freddan72

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 18:18

Jari and his friend was over 400 HP and you are very close to that. And still on standard internals. Wow! smile

Graphs please!!!
Posted By: Mark_S

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 18:56

Very impressive, must feel "starship" like cool
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 18:57

What sort of £ is it to achieve the 400 bhp ?

I take it the suspension and brakes are uprated to cope shocked
Posted By: Nigel

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 19:11

I'm feeling all inadequate now frown wink Leighton - I assume the gains over mine are purely down to the bigger turbine housing and the better injectors?

However, I wonder if I could cope with the extra lag of the 0.86 turbine housing - I somehow doubt it.

Fellie - to do it properly and safely, I reckon you're looking at £6k - £7k, but that includes forged internals. This case would appear to suggest its not essential, which would drop the bill to around £3k, as follows:

GT2871 - £1100
FMIC - £450
Injectors - £250
Exhaust - £400
Boost control - £350
Intake mods (SIP, filter) - £150
mapping - £500
Cool plugs - £50

However, slapping all that onto a car with standard suspension and brakes is asking for trouble, so budget for another grand or so to help the thing stop and steer
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 19:20

Oof laugh.

Bit beyond what I have in mind lol wink.

I shall stick to my original plan of 'preserving + refurbing' the LE, then 'updating the suspension' to make it 100% to drive ( well, improved over standard, I'm not saying it's bad )

400bhp is a nice figure to throw about in the pub, and at ~ 10k including a decent 20vt purchase, it's certainly bargainous performance motoring laugh

<< goes in search of the next step on project LE 10 ( puts 350 - 400 bhp firmly to the back of his mind )
Posted By: Benny

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 21:38

Imagine if Watz had forged pistons, rods, headwork and cams love

then he could run a weee bit more boost in the midrange laugh love

Ben
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 16/05/2009 23:12

soo leighton is he still all standard suspension then?
Posted By: Flea

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 17/05/2009 06:48

Yes standard suspension and uprated brakes. Ben has a new set of wishbones waiting to go on and will be making a few changes over the coming months.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 17/05/2009 06:52

Great results thumb
Posted By: Flea

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 17/05/2009 07:28

Originally Posted By: Nigel
I assume the gains over mine are purely down to the bigger turbine housing and the better injectors?


Pretty much the turbo, it's more efficient at the top end so will generally make more power for less boost all things equal.

The most impressive thing for me is the off-boost throttle response and pick up, it's noticeable how good it is pootling around. Ben had a new engine from Fiat a couple of years ago, anyway I did a compression test before the conversion and it showed 160-162psi across all five pots, a good strong engine.
Posted By: pinin_prestatyn

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 18/05/2009 00:15

Think Watz is going to have more than a small grin when he puts his foot down and finds almost double the power laugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 18/05/2009 05:18

Great results Leighton!

As always thumb
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 18/05/2009 06:21

Good results Flea.. as usual thumb

Congratulations to Watz smile , you have nice Coupe now. I think it should be reliable with this moderate boost and standard internals. Also, good thing is that you have a considerabely new engine (2 years old) which resulted in some nice power figures. Get us some pics and videos Watz wink

Can you post the the RR graph confused

The setup is not far from mine. Engine wise, I'm going to have the forged pistons and rods, C&B cams, some other bits and hopefully stage 5 from Flea smile

Posted By: watz

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 18/05/2009 15:47

Well, had it back 24 hours and i am still alive so things looking good laugh

Il try and post some pics and a video soon!
Posted By: Nigel

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 18/05/2009 19:20

how does it feel to drive?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 18/05/2009 20:55

missing my coupe now when im seeing this new turbo setup.. frown
Posted By: watz

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 09/06/2009 19:49

Here's a few pics of my new turbo and my rolling road print out aswell smile
(with thanks to leighton)

http://s661.photobucket.com/albums/uu333/kato00/
Posted By: MattM

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 09/06/2009 21:34

Looking good Watz. I remember meeting you at the last Dyno Demon rolling road day. Looking forward to seeing this car at the next one! Well done mate
Posted By: watz

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 10/06/2009 13:29

Look forward to it matt smile
Posted By: Freddan72

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 11/06/2009 21:36

A comparison between me and Watz. I hope it's okay with you Watz. If not I delete this post.
click to enlarge

Well as you can see after 4500 rpm you are the king of power hehe
One thing I reacted on is that your max HP is at 7031 rpm. Have you changed the rev limiter?

Posted By: watz

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 12/06/2009 23:01

nice work freddan thumb

I belive so mate,7200 i think leighton said.

Do you have the same turbo setup?
Posted By: Freddan72

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 13/06/2009 09:21

Thank you! smile

No I have a Mitsubishi 19T turbo. Volvo used it for the V70R AWD. The 19T are very close to the GT28RS in terms of power and torque (I think).

I will soon install a new clutch and an EBC and hopefully I can up the boost to 1.5 bar. After the RR I hope to see more torque and maybe some power at the top smile

You can read about my project here: It´s time for a new TURBO - Mitsubishi 19T
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 23/06/2009 10:45

Has anyone thought about using Vauxhall VXR injectors? Apparantly, they are 470cc, and are a straight swap. Best bit, they are around £36 each!

Andy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 23/06/2009 11:48

Are they a similar spray pattern?
Posted By: Freddan72

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 23/06/2009 14:47

Originally Posted By: sumplug
Has anyone thought about using Vauxhall VXR injectors? Apparantly, they are 470cc, and are a straight swap. Best bit, they are around £36 each!

Andy.

That is quite cheap, £36 = 42 Euro. I found 440cc for 59 Euro each at http://www.plracing.com/

Where can you buy them for £36? Ebay?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 23/06/2009 17:39

Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Originally Posted By: sumplug
Has anyone thought about using Vauxhall VXR injectors? Apparantly, they are 470cc, and are a straight swap. Best bit, they are around £36 each!

Andy.

That is quite cheap, £36 = 42 Euro. I found 440cc for 59 Euro each at http://www.plracing.com/

Where can you buy them for £36? Ebay?


I bought 35$ per each from Racetronix and those are direct fit - just drop in.
http://www.racetronix.com/621031FM.html
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 23/06/2009 19:39

Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Originally Posted By: sumplug
Has anyone thought about using Vauxhall VXR injectors? Apparantly, they are 470cc, and are a straight swap. Best bit, they are around £36 each!

Andy.

That is quite cheap, £36 = 42 Euro. I found 440cc for 59 Euro each at http://www.plracing.com/

Where can you buy them for £36? Ebay?

Discounted at your friendly Vauxhall dealer

Andy. smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 23/06/2009 19:42

Originally Posted By: Kenno
Are they a similar spray pattern?

I believe they are a better pattern and faster acting.
I think someone needs to test them out with a high power engine.

Andy. smile
Posted By: Freddan72

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 24/06/2009 09:17

Originally Posted By: Ismo
Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Originally Posted By: sumplug
Has anyone thought about using Vauxhall VXR injectors? Apparantly, they are 470cc, and are a straight swap. Best bit, they are around £36 each!

Andy.

That is quite cheap, £36 = 42 Euro. I found 440cc for 59 Euro each at http://www.plracing.com/

Where can you buy them for £36? Ebay?


I bought 35$ per each from Racetronix and those are direct fit - just drop in.
http://www.racetronix.com/621031FM.html


$35 = 25 Euro. That's a great price laugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 19/11/2009 09:46

wow, that`s impressive for standard internals!
sorry for offtop but is it safe to run 1.5 bar with standard internals on 16vt?
got fmic, sip and walbro255 installed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 11/12/2009 21:08

Originally Posted By: sumplug
Originally Posted By: Freddan72
Originally Posted By: sumplug
Has anyone thought about using Vauxhall VXR injectors? Apparantly, they are 470cc, and are a straight swap. Best bit, they are around £36 each!

Andy.

That is quite cheap, £36 = 42 Euro. I found 440cc for 59 Euro each at http://www.plracing.com/

Where can you buy them for £36? Ebay?

Discounted at your friendly Vauxhall dealer

Andy. smile


Well!!!???? Did anyone try them? Any results?
Posted By: kj16v

Re: Standard to 396bhp & 331lbs/ft in 10 days - 13/12/2009 20:29

Originally Posted By: ngspawn
wow, that`s impressive for standard internals!
sorry for offtop but is it safe to run 1.5 bar with standard internals on 16vt?
got fmic, sip and walbro255 installed.


There would be no point on a stock turbo, you'd just be blowing hot air
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