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520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues..

Posted By: Anonymous

520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 12:37

To kick start 2013 in true trend setting fashion, Torque Italia launches another unique high powered 500hp platform. The TI 2.1L Stage 5 engine is producing a healthy 520hp, 440trq @jaw dropping 2.15bar, with peak power arriving sharply at 6273rpm, and very driveable it is too. cool

Specs are as follows:
Forged 2.1L 20v
TI stage 5 Big valve head, plus C&B cams
DTA PRO S80 ver 63 running a 4 bar map sensor
925cc injectors, Bosch Motorsport 044 inline pump, 1.5ltr Surge tank
Tigart exhaust manifold (ceramic coated)
Tial MVR 44mm ext WG.
Garrett GTX3076 .82ar,3 inch Vband turbine housing.
ITG Maxogen air filter
Full 3.5inch exhaust system.
Helix cerametalic 6 paddle clutch, uprated cover.

To start with at current power levels, we have been forced to cross over to a more bespoke and specialized management system that offers greater consistency and reliability. I personally went with the Dta Pro S80 ecu for cost, broad base functionality and most importantly the tuner, who is well versed in mapping the 20v 5 cylinder engine for over several years now. To complement the expertise with management system, a Land and Sea DYNOmite water brake testing dyno (industry standard) was used to calibrate the platform accurately. Accuracy and consistency being the key here, so all runs are performed in 4th gear also for 1:1 ratio.

A brief insight to the workings of water brake dynometers.
Water brake dynometers are some of the most popular devices for engine dyno testing, ideally suited to the testing of high-output engines.
Water brakes use water flow proportional to the applied load, to create resistance which test the engine’s output. A controlled flow of water through the inlet manifold is directed at the centre of the rotor in each absorption section; the water is then expelled towards the outside of the dynamometer body by centrifugal force. As it is directed outwards, the water is accelerated into pockets on the stationary stator plates, where it is decelerated. This continuous acceleration/deceleration of the water creates the applied load to the motor. Through this transfer of energy, the water is heated and discharged. The main benefit of water brakes for the mapper is the advantage of steady-state load measurements, which allows running at higher revs while still retaining accuracy and repeatability.

For road testing, JDM dyno facility has access to Kirbride Airfield (frequently used by Msport, Ford WRC team), so no excuses for real time runs in 4th, 5th and 6th for extreme load condition calibrations.

Now back to the 2.1L platform in action.

Working closely with John, we took full advantage of all optimizing capabilities of the DTA and set the parameters to suit my extreme driving demands. smile

First impressions, the part throttle and off boost driveability is far torquier than I’d expected, so a bonus there already. Idle is rock solid, no murmurs or palpitations to irritate. Power delivery is very smooth and progressive throughout the rev range as 2.15bar is force fed, leaving your senses discombobulated.crazy At that intensity of power & revs the engine note is AWESOME! The massive 440lbs of torque is a first,on pump fuel.(from 2.0L engine)
The power band unleashes its ferocity from 3750rpm straight to the limiter. Through the gears right from the magic 3rd to 5th the speedo could be mistaken for the rev counter, hitting its massive 2.15bar boost ceiling every time and holding. Amazingly the boost profile mapped through the DTA software gives it superb consistency every time. Traction’s mind blowing, even in the less than favourable conditions we are facing lately.

John (DTA mapper) commented that he had never experienced traction issue on his dyno… ‘till mine turned up. Traveling north to the Scottish borders up from the most South Westerly corner of London takes just 1 full tank averaging 370-400 miles, not bad for a 520hp daily driver.

Being a frequent visitor to mapping and dyno facilities across the country I got used to supplying full tank of fuel for mapping sessions (£100+), JDM used half of that from start to finish over three days which is testament to his experience.
One extra enhancement to add shortly is the E85 map ready for SPA italia laugh

Note; key comparisons will be submitted against my old 2.4L setup once I’ve got my new/old graphs from Surrey RR on Feb 2nd.

Big Thanks to Rob40, F1Ang, Jbt and Shaun for their support,and of course, John at JDM dyno for his expertise.

Enjoying the Power again!

Barbz

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 12:57

Wow Great read barbzs. shocked

Well done!!!

Nice to see the coupe is still Progressing with the times standard and tuned.

Your time and knowledge is A testament to your results. read

Keep up the R&D work. thumb
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 13:03

good result Barbz and looking forward to seeing it on the rollers on the 2nd feb thumb .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 13:08

440 torque???? WOW

Good results Barbz and to all involved.
Posted By: Gunzi

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 13:08

Great write up and I'm sure the Coupe is great fun to drive. As above, I'm looking forward to seeing it next weekend!

Why did you decide to go from a 2.4L to a 2.1L?
Posted By: Mark_S

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 13:36

Simply awesome shocked enjoy driving
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 14:11

Fantastic results Barbz. Well done too those involved. Keep up the good work.
Posted By: Rob40

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 14:12

Welcome to the DTA club, took you long enough wink laugh
Posted By: Sean_C

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 14:15

Wow wee!!!!
The old master proves his worth once again tongue laugh
Posted By: Sean_C

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 14:16

The new" high boost hero" :-)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 14:31

Glad to see you're running proper boost now!
Posted By: Rudidudi

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 14:34

Whats the explanation for the dip @ 5k?

afr and boost are constant..
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 14:41

Originally Posted By: Rudidudi
Whats the explanation for the dip @ 5k?

afr and boost are constant..


Wheelspin.
Posted By: kj16v

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 14:56

Nice! Huge torque right from the start! thumb
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 15:02

thumb honest, solid power figures - one of the few!

Well done.
Posted By: Rob40

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 15:29

This has been a major transformation from a lag monster to a truly driveable weapon.
When I first picked Barbz's car up to get the new ECU fitted, it wasn't the easiest of cars to drive; a little lumpy, off-boost driving wasn't great, the boost was an on-off switch--all or nothing. Clearly the standard ECU is way past it's optimum limits at this level of tuning and performance.

I've been using the DTA for over 8 years, the first in the uk on the Fiat 20v engine.
John had to start from scratch as there wasn't a base map to work from and this obviously took a long time to develop.
When there were people on here slating the DTA because the software wasn't developed enough to run the Fiat lump, John just got his head round things in his own inimitable way!

He has been a DTA agent for a long time and has pushed them to develop the software to enable him to tune my engine.
It's all a bit beyond me but in the early days he used a 10 cylinder map and then started dividing the values to suit his needs, you've got to take your hat off to him.
Then he used a 6 cylinder map and sequentially omitted a cylinder in turn to keep the 5-pot arrangement.
When DTA finally gave him what he needed to run these engines properly, the only limiting factor is your wallet and Barbz's know-how!

I'm pleased Barbz has taken the DTA route as an affordable alternative to the mega bucks Motec system and now he can appreciate just how good all his hard work really is when it comes together in a well made and balanced package.

On the drive down to meet Barbz, the transformation was amazing. Off-boost driving is a pleasure, the power build up is progressive and linear, and when the boost kicks in, you know about it! The highly efficient head work is noticeable not only at the top end but at how frugal the car can be if driven carefully. Carlisle to Birmingham took just over half a tank, that's 200 miles of mixed motorway driving!!

I think it's time to crank up my boost a little, 1.6bar and 460 bhp is soooo yesterday! laugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 18:15

High boost Hero's
Be wary laugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 20:50

Excellent result Barbz thumb

Well done guys cool
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 20:59

WOW!! looking forward to a lift round Spa in that Barbz, i'll try not to shyte myself too laugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 21:57

If I were you Proccy I would pm Sean-c as he was foolish enough to go out with that fruitcake.
Changed him.really understands the value of life now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 22:19

I had a few laps with him last year and it was epic - i dont think the car went forwards much it was all sidewards lol, brilliant love
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 22:55

Outstanding work gents!!! thumb
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 24/01/2013 23:57

Great write up barbz, i did have quite a bit to comment, but dad has pretty much nailed it on the head there.

It really was an absolute privilege getting to drive the car. I only experienced 1.4 bar, but even at that the performance was breath taking. i struggle to imagine the difference in performance from 1.4 to 2.15 bar..... The words "savage" and "certain death" spring to mind laugh !!!

It truly is amazing, the fact that you can now have that much power at the push of your right foot, in a front wheel drive, road legal car, and yet it be useable, drivable, tractable and to a certain degree even sensible! I mean driving it from A to B through town, in traffic etc, apart from the slightly heavier than standard helix clutch, and the fact it would be slightly louder with that 3.5 inch exhaust system, you really wouldn't tell it apart from any other coupe, i could and would happily drive it around town all day long. Off boost driving was an absolute joy, you can really feel that head work coming into play with the sheer amount of torque the car has off boost, Driving it just feels so effortless.

I could go on for hours talking about this car, from the performance, to how well those huge Porsche brakes work, to how planted the car feels on it's custom suspension setup, but I'll be here all night laugh

it really is a truly amazing machine. A huge well done to all involved, but especially barbz for building such capable platforms, i don't think the guy gives him self enough credit to be fair.

One hell of a way to kick off the new year, really excited to see what this year brings smile

Ps. I'm also REALLY looking forwards to a 2.15 bar passenger ride around spa laugh people will be queuing up like its a rollercoaster... "tickets on sale over here please" shout biglaugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 05:51

Good Job Barbz!!!

I am excited to see it in spa

French also have some surprises!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 08:03

Originally Posted By: marcouzze
Good Job Barbz!!!

I am excited to see it in spa

French also have some surprises!


How you getting on with your car Marc?

I haven't been on French forum for months.
Posted By: Begbie

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 08:25

Nice results Barbz.

Going to drop you a PM about a couple of things smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 11:58

Quote:
Why did you decide to go from a 2.4L to a 2.1L?


My poor 2.4 finally succmub to bore wash. cry ,thats why i jumped ship to a standalone.
At this level of performance and cost of mechanical hardware the OEM system was not suitable.
Posted By: Honza

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 12:29

great job!

I like the "not bad for a 520hp daily driver" smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 12:52

Looking forward to seeing this at Surrey RR!
Posted By: crazyf1

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 15:28

Originally Posted By: marcouzze

French also have some surprises!

laugh
I put a link to this topic on the french forum, we'll see some reactions soon smile
I hope to see you at Spa driving
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 16:14

Hi

Are all the high powered French Coupes runing on E85 fuel only?
What power levels are you achieving?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 17:28

Yes they can running on E85 fuel,

We are waiting dynorun results.

Maybe less than 500HP but probably more torque.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 17:48

Originally Posted By: marcouzze
Yes they can running on E85 fuel,

We are waiting dynorun results.

Maybe less than 500HP but probably more torque.



Oh no......
Last year for the first time I found myself pushing my car beyond the limits of my driving talents and maybe its abilities trying to keep up with Barbz.
When my car got out of shape at over 150mph I called it a day and let you crazy lot battle it out by yourselves.
Hats of to Barbz and Regis.Awesome driving to watch thumb
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 18:04

Regis is preparing something secret I believe.

I think not too much power but full boost under 2800rpm
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 18:06

Originally Posted By: marcouzze
Regis is preparing something secret I believe.

I think not too much power but full boost under 2800rpm



He was glued to my bumper in 3rd last year .
I think I was 400-450ish at the time but for his setup it was immense .

E85 is brutal
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 18:11

Yes it's fuel of the future!!!!

enjoy!!!! standard engine, forged pistons....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYPccbNUOmE
Posted By: crazyf1

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 18:29

1,8 bar max. pressure
power and torque curves
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 18:39

Merci crazy laugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 19:04

Some mental coops in the field at the moment. thumb
Posted By: DLT

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 20:23

Great result that
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 20:38

E85 certainly moved the goal post that day. laugh


Otherwise a max 380ish is where there at on normal super unleaded. wink
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 20:43

442 lbs ft, not bad.

Still on GT2871r?

Cant wait to see what mine makes with E85. wink
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 20:53

Quote:
Yes it's fuel of the future!!!!

enjoy!!!! standard engine, forged pistons....


Cutting edge technology, ground breaking achievement crazy laugh

Lead the way TOUT LE MONDE! hehe
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 21:07

Also as the Turkish would say.:-

terör grr grr grr evil

Posted By: crazyf1

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 21:49

Originally Posted By: Barbz
442 lbs ft, not bad.

Still on GT2871r?

Cant wait to see what mine makes with E85. wink

it is not Regis but a friend of him
He has a GT3076 and has the Coop you can see on the video link posted above by marcouzze
Posted By: Taffy20vt

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 25/01/2013 22:07

Great results cool
Posted By: magooagain

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 26/01/2013 11:05

@ Crazy F1. Daniel are you still mapping your own coupe ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 26/01/2013 11:07

Is there any comparision available on unleaded power levels?

Just keen to see how much of a difference there is.

This may help, comparisions done on an ol' bucket! laugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJMmxyGN648
Posted By: crazyf1

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 26/01/2013 14:21

Originally Posted By: magooagain
@ Crazy F1. Daniel are you still mapping your own coupe ?

Yes and No laugh
I reached the max of standard injectors so I ordered bigger injectors (650cc) and a chip from french magician BT2000 in order to run them correctly because I don't know how to deal with bigger injectors (yet)
Sorry for off topic
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 26/01/2013 20:56

520 bhp ! bet this is mental!
Posted By: magooagain

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 26/01/2013 22:04

Originally Posted By: crazyf1
Originally Posted By: magooagain
@ Crazy F1. Daniel are you still mapping your own coupe ?

Yes and No laugh
I reached the max of standard injectors so I ordered bigger injectors (650cc) and a chip from french magician BT2000 in order to run them correctly because I don't know how to deal with bigger injectors (yet)
Sorry for off topic


Yes sorry Barbz. Daniel let me know how you progress with the 650cc.
Posted By: stevo

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 27/01/2013 21:58

Equal to the amount of hot dinners I would guess.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 27/01/2013 22:07

Good luck men as I'm skint.
Posted By: Sean_C

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 27/01/2013 22:18

Originally Posted By: johnnybravoturbo
Good luck men as I'm skint.

You are always skint tongue
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 27/01/2013 22:20

My financial advisor isn't great Sean.And my car collection hasnt helped. laugh
Posted By: Sean_C

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 27/01/2013 22:34

I'm looking for another delivery driver John if you are interested smile
£7 /hour
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 27/01/2013 22:37

Thanks for your generosity Sean .i would feel bad taking above minimum wage from you.
Plus it wouldn't be long before driving turned into timing belts on your drive.
Posted By: Sean_C

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 27/01/2013 22:38

Please yourself then laugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 27/01/2013 22:42

Don't be like that mate.
Ok I'm interested,what cars do I get to drive?
Posted By: Sean_C

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 27/01/2013 22:44

I think we better stop - we are corrupting old Barbzzy's thread
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 23/02/2013 12:06

So Mr Barbz..........you coop will only be complete once I get behind the wheel and see if it meets the standard!!! crazy

Hello matey laugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 23/02/2013 12:15

Blast from the past Popps says hello.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 23/02/2013 12:17

Originally Posted By: porkypaul
Blast from the past Popps says hello.


wink
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 06/03/2013 20:42

Do you use forged bolts for cylinder head?

the cylinder head bolts does not stretch with pressure?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 07/03/2013 09:32

Yes, m10 arp studs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 07/03/2013 18:16

Can you give me part number or internet link please?
Posted By: Stichl

Re: 520HP, 440TRQ @ 2.15bar, the onslaught continues.. - 07/03/2013 18:36

Hi Barbz
Arp studs? Can you give me a link as well?! I use M12 bolts, a lot of work to make them fit...
Thanks
Juergen
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