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GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
#678019
11/09/2008 19:28
11/09/2008 19:28
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MiniPit
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Hi guys ![wink ;\)](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) I've just bought a complete clutch kit of ALFA 147 GTA for my 20V turbo. I bought it because you said me it is plug'n'play on our 20VT. But someone tell me the 20VT clutch is more resistant than the GTA clutch ![shocked \:o](/forum/images/graemlins/default/shocked.gif) He tells me that the Fiat clutch can support more torque! ![shocked \:o](/forum/images/graemlins/default/shocked.gif) I just want you to put me at rest. Are we wrong when we say that the GTA clutch is better than the Fiat clutch? I hope i haven't bought it for nothing
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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11/09/2008 21:20
11/09/2008 21:20
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TurboJ
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They are the same cover & release bearing but the GTA friction disc is bigger. Thats all.
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678059
11/09/2008 21:26
11/09/2008 21:26
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MiniPit
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They are the same cover & release bearing but the GTA friction disc is bigger. Thats all. Ok TurboJ ![thumb](/forum/images/graemlins/default/icon_thumbs.gif) So if the friction disc of the GTA is bigger it will accept more torque than the OE clutch ![yipee](/forum/images/graemlins/default/yippee.gif) I don't understand why the guy i meet told me the Fiat is better! Maybe a jealous person ![laugh \:D](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif)
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678061
11/09/2008 21:29
11/09/2008 21:29
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TurboJ
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The covers/release bearing are the same part number. More surface area = less slippage = more torque ![wink ;\)](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif)
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678068
11/09/2008 21:40
11/09/2008 21:40
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suba
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GTA should be a bit better - but not a world of difference.
As long as it holds your level of power then either would be fine.
They are also the same price, so take your pick IMO....
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678076
11/09/2008 22:02
11/09/2008 22:02
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MiniPit
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Thanks guys ![thumb](/forum/images/graemlins/default/icon_thumbs.gif) In France the price of the GTA is smaller than the price of the Fiat clutch ![wink ;\)](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) So : better price and better grip! That's a good deal ![laugh \:D](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif) Happy to know i've made the good choice ![wink ;\)](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif)
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678091
11/09/2008 22:24
11/09/2008 22:24
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symonh2000
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Sorry to hijack the thread but will the GTA clutch work on all 20VT's, or is it just 5 speed or just 6 speed cars etc...
Cheers, Simon.
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678105
11/09/2008 22:54
11/09/2008 22:54
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dink
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The covers/release bearing are the same part number. More surface area = less slippage = more torque It all depends of the clamping force of the cover. If i'm not mistaking a GTA disc accepts less torque than a standard disc but wears slower.
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678118
11/09/2008 23:25
11/09/2008 23:25
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MiniPit
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The covers/release bearing are the same part number. More surface area = less slippage = more torque If i'm not mistaking a GTA disc accepts less torque than a standard disc but wears slower. That's exactly what the guy i met told me ![shocked \:o](/forum/images/graemlins/default/shocked.gif) Hum... where is the truth
Last edited by MiniPit; 11/09/2008 23:25.
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678127
11/09/2008 23:44
11/09/2008 23:44
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suba
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Who cares - with your mods either will do the job no probs!
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678136
12/09/2008 00:10
12/09/2008 00:10
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MiniPit
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Who cares - with your mods either will do the job no probs! I care... because of the mod i'm going to do in the next weeks ![laugh \:D](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif) Big Hybrid T28 is coming from England (stock size for the turbine, trim 64 for the compressor... i know this is experimental... i hope it will be fine ;)) FMIC is ready to be on my coop too I've heard that standard clutch can support 320/330 hp! Hope that's right because i want this power ![laugh \:D](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif)
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
[Re: Kelv27]
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12/09/2008 07:09
12/09/2008 07:09
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For clutches, it is measured in torque so bhp figure don't matter. Even with a hybrid turbo, the standard and GTA clutches will do the job sufficiently well. Youre probably only gonna get 250-270 lb/ft of torque with that sort of mods anyway. Fine ![wink ;\)](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) Thanks again ![thumb](/forum/images/graemlins/default/icon_thumbs.gif)
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678191
12/09/2008 08:35
12/09/2008 08:35
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Sorry to hijack the thread but will the GTA clutch work on all 20VT's, or is it just 5 speed or just 6 speed cars etc...
Cheers, Simon. It will fit all 20vt models and the 16vt as well.
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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12/09/2008 09:17
12/09/2008 09:17
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Sorry to hijack the thread but will the GTA clutch work on all 20VT's, or is it just 5 speed or just 6 speed cars etc...
Cheers, Simon. It will fit all 20vt models and the 16vt as well. Thanks again Gaz. ![laugh \:D](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif)
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678391
12/09/2008 16:17
12/09/2008 16:17
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TurboJ
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It all depends of the clamping force of the cover. If i'm not mistaking a GTA disc accepts less torque than a standard disc but wears slower.
Yes increased clamping force increases torque rating but so does the surface area of the friction disc since both covers are the same only the surface area matters. The GTA disc is bigger than the coupe one.
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678500
12/09/2008 19:57
12/09/2008 19:57
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I would go for a Helix organic clutch, don't think GTA significantly better, whereas Helix will give you a big safety margin
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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12/09/2008 22:10
12/09/2008 22:10
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suba
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....but it cost just a tiny bit more than a gta clutch.... ![shocked \:o](/forum/images/graemlins/default/shocked.gif)
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#678561
12/09/2008 22:48
12/09/2008 22:48
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Do it once, do it right - I fried 3 clutches before I saw sense and went for a Helix.
1972 Triumph Stag 1984 Alfasud TI 1999 Fiat Coupe Turbo LE 2005 350Z
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
[Re: MCMike]
#678585
13/09/2008 01:04
13/09/2008 01:04
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dink
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Minipit, pourquoi tu vas si loin pour trouver une réponse? Tu sais que delta il est partout ![smile \:\)](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) p.s. sorry boys, but me and minipit know eachother, altough he diden't realise before ![laugh \:D](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif) I've tried all of them and my conslusion i make is: - stock clutch: 400Nm of peak torque ok but fast wear rate. - Walkers organic : 400Nm max torque as well but lasts longer - Helix: really good stuff but haven't been able to finsih one. It does accepts 400Nm sustained torque for sure. Nobody ever metions skimming the flywheel is primordial on a new clutch.
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
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#679373
15/09/2008 00:07
15/09/2008 00:07
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MiniPit
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Minipit, pourquoi tu vas si loin pour trouver une réponse? Tu sais que delta il est partout ![smile \:\)](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) p.s. sorry boys, but me and minipit know eachother, altough he diden't realise before ![laugh \:D](/forum/images/graemlins/default/laugh.gif) I've tried all of them and my conslusion i make is: - stock clutch: 400Nm of peak torque ok but fast wear rate. - Walkers organic : 400Nm max torque as well but lasts longer - Helix: really good stuff but haven't been able to finsih one. It does accepts 400Nm sustained torque for sure. Nobody ever metions skimming the flywheel is primordial on a new clutch. C'est toi! Trop fort What do you mean by skimming?
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
[Re: Mark_S]
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18/10/2023 08:16
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I would go for a Helix organic clutch, don't think GTA significantly better, whereas Helix will give you a big safety margin yup I agree -- I run @400bhp , helix organic clutch been in the car for years , ok not doing a high mileage , but well up for the job ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif)
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Re: GTA clutch VS Stock clutch : wich is better?
[Re: Anonymous]
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18/10/2023 08:43
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/insert usual statement Clutches are rated for torque, not BHP ![tongue tongue](/forum/images/graemlins/default/tongue.gif)
Your car is Usain Bolt with wellies
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