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Re: 20v n/a
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#1625700
03/10/2018 21:53
03/10/2018 21:53
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Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 53 Scotland
rowl
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Reaping the fruits
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They are great cars in and of themselves. Very characterful looking, but also genuinely fun to drive with a great engine sound -- the 5 cylinder warble is hard to beat. While it doesn't feel underpowered, you're right in that it's not a "fast car" by modern day standards -- if you crave being pinned to your seat by G-force, you should probably hold out for a turbo! That said, I think it's fair to say the chip (or, in the case of the later VIS model -- ECU remap) from FC Performance makes a very positive difference to the NA driving experience, see e.g. the following posts: https://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1607348https://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1609012Obviously the NA has somewhat fewer sources of potential worry than the turbo model. I guess probably the worst potential source of angst would be if it were rusting away underneath. Also in practical terms, how long ago the cam belt was changed is worth bearing in mind (if 5 or more years ago, this needs doing -- the cost is not insignificant). Also, may be worth factoring in the condition of the paint work. To maximise your enjoyment, you probably want to avoid being in the position of craving a respray that costs more than you could possibly sell the car for! Presume you found the old buyers guide here, with various things to consider: https://www.fiatcoupeclub.org/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1264181
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Re: 20v n/a
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#1625710
04/10/2018 09:44
04/10/2018 09:44
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Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 869 Germany
neil_r
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Enjoying the ride
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These cars are getting old and running them hard is less important than simply enjoying them. They are fast enough to not feel slow in traffic but to put that into perspective, our Mazda2 1.5 has very similar figures to the original 20V (0-100 km/h 8.7 vs. 8.9 Max km/h 200 vs. 212). Our Tucson is apparently a bit quicker up to 100 mph (22 secs vs. 25 secs). So yes, ordinary modern stuff has got quicker. But the FIAT feels nice to drive. It has great steering and always feels alive - not something that can be said of a lot of modern stuff which are either dumb or have to be going so fast before they come alive that you would not keep your licence long. As for chips, etc, one could but you are still going to be in the same performance ballpark. The 20V seems to be pretty reliable and most parts are cheap. However, the cam belt, as mentioned above, is a fairly expensive regular expense, especially out here ![frown frown](/forum/images/graemlins/default/frown.gif) Find one in good condition and you will enjoy owning a very nice looking car that almost always feels right and is fairly easy to maintain.
1997 20V 2000 V6 manual S-Type and 2011 5.0 XKR 2016 Tucson 1.6T AWD 2018 Mazda2 GT
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Re: 20v n/a
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#1625713
04/10/2018 11:30
04/10/2018 11:30
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Posts: 869 Germany
neil_r
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Enjoying the ride
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The turbo was the popular choice as it was really quick in its day. It also sold much better - bit more money but a lot more performance ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) I went for the N.A. because it was to be a daily driver/only car at first, and I keep my cars a long time and I was worried about the reliability. Who knows what a turbo would have been like in my hands. Maybe also OK as I'm gentle with my machines. A few years ago, I wanted a sunday car. Started looking at the simpler versions but this time ended up with the more powerful choice ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif)
1997 20V 2000 V6 manual S-Type and 2011 5.0 XKR 2016 Tucson 1.6T AWD 2018 Mazda2 GT
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Re: 20v n/a
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#1625714
04/10/2018 11:40
04/10/2018 11:40
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Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,610 S. Wales. Way beyond my means
Gripped
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Club member 1924
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Either of the 20v NAs will be fun. I suspect the 16v will be too rare now, but always worth a look.
The later VIS version is more refined and a few more BHP, and I might put my neck on the line and say it might be a bit more reliable than the earlier 20v as it had quite a few updated parts.
The good thing about the NA is that you can rev the nuts of them without going stupid fast, and get a great sound track. In the twisties, they are great fun if you keep it above 4,500 rpm.
Fuel economy is also good, particularly after a remap. My VIS is happily doing high 30's mpg.
I still want a turbo as a garage queen, but for everyday use, the NA is ideal.
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Re: 20v n/a
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04/10/2018 11:45
04/10/2018 11:45
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Tim16V
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Tim16V
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Prices of good N/A's are inexplicably and stubbornly low (definitely in the shadow of the turbo) but they are really good to drive. In addition they are less likely to have been thrashed than a turbo.
There's a yellow VIS on the market for circa £2k which I thought looked good value on the face of but it has been hanging around a while.
I think one of the issues is the N/A maintenance bills are high like any other modern classic yet without discernable scope to recover any of that cost on resale at the moment so it's a slightly vicious circle.
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Re: 20v n/a
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#1625937
11/10/2018 12:32
11/10/2018 12:32
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Joined: May 2012
Posts: 1,924 Going North on the A9
dante giacosa
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My life on the forum
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Hey Rowl- (good to hear from you)
Well put; I'm totally with you there...
Tim16V-
yes; the N/As certainly will have attracted less 'test pilots' over the years.
I personally deliberately chose the N/A, (having owned the turbo before) as I fancy the chances of a normally aspirated engine outliving a turbo one (over time) any day (both with the same maintenance) And I loved the usability of the N/A- you not going to get to 'simmer' in 70% of the engine power of the turbo for long- on any road!
Last edited by dante giacosa; 11/10/2018 19:37.
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Re: 20v n/a
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11/10/2018 15:36
11/10/2018 15:36
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Tim16V
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Tim16V
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I went for a VIS after looking at eight turbos - all with issues. Some were very poor indeed, literally knackered, others just irritated my OCD - missing keys, part history, V5 doc 'in the post' etc.
I was just about to give up on the whole thing and go for a Golf VR6 but the VIS popped up locally so I thought it worth a look.
It performed better than expected and has been brilliant over the last 5 years and since the initial big expenditure. The first bill was more than the car cost!
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Re: 20v n/a
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11/10/2018 18:20
11/10/2018 18:20
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Posts: 1,621 Leicester UK
Ballypete
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Club Member 1578
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I went for a VIS after looking at eight turbos - all with issues. Some were very poor indeed, literally knackered, others just irritated my OCD - missing keys, part history, V5 doc 'in the post' etc.
I was just about to give up on the whole thing and go for a Golf VR6 but the VIS popped up locally so I thought it worth a look.
It performed better than expected and has been brilliant over the last 5 years and since the initial big expenditure. The first bill was more than the car cost! I can relate to that- but then sorting the issues on my NA out has kept another one on the road for years to come and I haven’t had any hint of a reliability issue
Doris the 1998 Portofino Blue 20V and Zoe the 1999 Alfa Romeo 916 Spider Bog standard needn't be boring...
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