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Re: RIP Nelson Mandela
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06/12/2013 17:57
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Biggenz, do you fundamentally believe that whites are superior to blacks? Do you fundamentally believe that Mandela was a saint? By the way, this has nothing to do with my 'opinion'. It's all about cold hard facts. I do not believe Mandela was a saint, as you will see from my posts. But I believe that Apartheid was an unforgiveable stain on the Afrikaner legacy. And on any white South African who cannot bring themselves to accept it. South Africa faces a terribly difficult and uncertain future - with massive challenges like HIV/AIDS. It may well be that whilst a minority profits, the majority suffers either economically or in other ways (sound familiar?). The difference is that your belief that life under Apartheid was better in any meaningful way for black people is indicative to me that you belive that white people are superior to blacks. Hence the question.
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Re: RIP Nelson Mandela
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06/12/2013 17:59
06/12/2013 17:59
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is indicative to me that you belive that white people are superior to blacks. Careful, Jim, last time I accused him of being a r*cist I got an out-and-out threat for my trouble.
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Re: RIP Nelson Mandela
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06/12/2013 19:36
06/12/2013 19:36
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I sit on the same line of thought as Jim with regard to Mr Mandela.
I save my distaste of terroist politicians nearer to home.
I think Edinburh's comment about Pero's strong opinions carry some wieght.
But lets not play a game of goading and just enjoy a debate about the most current subject of news today.
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Re: RIP Nelson Mandela
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#1461975
06/12/2013 20:42
06/12/2013 20:42
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[Whilst I fall somewhere in the middle on Mandela you can't argue that when white people were running the agriculture of Zimbabwe people weren't starving while fields stood fallow. It's all very well running the nasty, imperialist white people out of Zimbabwe because it's "unfair" that they owned the land and not the black locals, but it's pretty idiotic to do so when they aren't capable of running a farm and feeding their own. I don't think that anyone should equate Mugabe's version of democracy and Mandella's, but in both countries, as in much of Africa, it comes down to tribalism as much as skin colour. The apartheid era was dominated by a sub-set of the white tribe who probably are no more and no less racist than any other African tribe. I was unfortunate enough to have had to visit apartheid era South Africa. it wasn't a particularly happy place then, even for a non-resident white. I can well understand why the regime was hated by the majority of its inhabitants. No doubt an Afrikaaner would have had a different view. I'm not avoiding the matter at all, I addressed it several posts ago. I'm happy to admit that it's probably a worse place, but I believe it will get better, although it make take a while. The thing is, under Zuma, it's only getting worse. Africa as a continent can't be trusted to self-govern. It's not going to get better in the next century.
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Re: RIP Nelson Mandela
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06/12/2013 21:04
06/12/2013 21:04
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Just been watching old news footage of Thatcher pontificating about "terrorists". All but made me bring up my dinner. Mandela's silent magnanimity in their subsequent meeting would have had the maximum crushing effect on the former PM.
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Re: RIP Nelson Mandela
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06/12/2013 21:13
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The thing is, under Zuma, it's only getting worse. Africa as a continent can't be trusted to self-govern. It's not going to get better in the next century. One person that understands the African mentality.
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Re: RIP Nelson Mandela
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#1461985
06/12/2013 21:25
06/12/2013 21:25
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Without getting involved in the Apartheid/SA discussion I can empathise with Biggenz. If he is a SA than Mandela represents a terrorist organisation whose means were not justified by the end. Stuff your one man's freedom fighter argument. People who bomb and murder innocent civilians are terrorist murdering scum. Particulalrly cowardly as they rely on the rule of law when they are dealt with. I for one hope I live long enough to see Gerry Adams and Martin McGuiness shuffle off this mortal coil, hopefully very painfully. My only regret is that by not beliving in the greater spirit I know they won't be joining Hitler, Stalin, Poht, Saville in a deeply unpleasant place for all of eternity. As an example.
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Re: RIP Nelson Mandela
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#1461988
06/12/2013 21:38
06/12/2013 21:38
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IMHO it's more to do with people rather than skin-colour. And there is the golden nugget. As a Scots friend of mine once said, "There is good and bad in every nationality" Although he undermined that by adding "Except the Welsh. I hate the Welsh!"
"RK's way seems the most sensible to me". ali_hire 16 Dec 2010
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Re: RIP Nelson Mandela
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#1461990
06/12/2013 21:43
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"Except the Welsh French. I hate the Welsh! French" Much better now.
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