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It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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05/04/2008 22:50
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Posts: 2,194 Göteborg, Sweden
Freddan72
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I have modded my car with new FMIC, SIP and a Blueflame exhaust. But this story is about my new turbo Last year after attending a track day I saw that the turbo started to smoke a little bit. I went to my mechanic and we both realised that it was time to change turbo. So what do you buy?? Many people on fccuk buy a Garrett GT28R or RS but I didn´t want to modifiy the exhast too much so that idea kind of disappeared rather quickly After that I decided to upgrade the original turbo to a GTiR. I was about to contact a local turbo company here in Göteborg when a guy at the Swedish Fiat forum said that he was about to install a Mitsubishi 16T on his Fiat Coupé 20V Turbo LE. I asked him if that was possible. Yes the man who build the turbocharger changes the flange to a T25 so that it can sit on the exhaust manifold. Damn that sounds so good I then talked to some people (at Volvo Car Corp.) and all said that the Mitsubishi turbo is quit nice. The turbo has slide bearing so if the bearing will break it´s easy to change it. I just thought that the 16T was too small for my project. I went to the company that builds the turbochargers and found out that a 19T should solve all my problems. After a while I made up my mind and ordered a 19T with a T25 flange. So this week I picked up the turbocharger . It´s TD04-19T (it´s installed in Volvo V70R AWD if you didn´t know) and it has a 360 degrees slide bearing. I only have to cut the end of the downpipe and weld on a new flange. I will install the new turbo in April. In the beginning I will use the standard ECU and GM EBV, FPR and a Gtec2. After a RR session and if everything is okay, I will install a GReddy Profec B spec II EBC. I will then turn up the boost I hope I can reach 320-330 hp Pics: Compressor side T25 flange Turbine housing 360 degrees bearing
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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06/04/2008 00:02
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Nice project. The actuator looks enormous!
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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06/04/2008 00:50
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any chance of having the specs of this turbo and its diagrams? wtf is that slanted cover on the compressor side oil and water cooled or just oil?
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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06/04/2008 01:19
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Freddan72
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any chance of having the specs of this turbo and its diagrams? wtf is that slanted cover on the compressor side oil and water cooled or just oil? I will get a compressor map and specs for the turbo. Just wait a day or two Volvo use the plate for mounting the Blow Off Valve. The turbo is oil and water cooled.
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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06/04/2008 07:32
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So this week I picked up the turbocharger . It´s TD04-19T (it´s installed in Volvo V70R AWD if you didn´t know) and it has a 360 degrees slide bearing. I only have to cut the end of the downpipe and weld on a new flange. I will install the new turbo in April. In the beginning I will use the standard ECU and GM EBV, FPR and a Gtec2. After a RR session and if everything is okay, I will install a GReddy Profec B spec II EBC. I will then turn up the boost I hope I can reach 320-330 hp Its what most people with T5s upgrade to as its a simple bolt on to the standard manifold, only things that need to be changed is the downpipe and a remap. You should be able to achieve 300bhp fairly easily. Us T5 lot are trying to get away from the Mitsi turbo and in to the Garrett BB T3 flanged turbos' lol.
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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07/04/2008 13:13
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Hi Fredrik, Nice to see that you have taken one step further ..., in never ending game . Yes, with the -19T you will get easily that 300 - 320 bhp out of the engine. I'm not 100% sure, but is it the same turbo than Saito / Italy sells as "SC300" for Coupe. You will need to change the wastegate actuator placing, because like that it won't fit. The gearbox housing is too close to that, GT28R turbos with original actuators have the same problem. Keep us posted with the new project . - Jari -
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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10/04/2008 02:04
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Here are a bunch of flowmaps for different turbos including the TD04 19t http://www.stealth316.com/2-3s-compflowmaps.htm
Last edited by gnilrub; 10/04/2008 02:04.
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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11/04/2008 11:32
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Thanks for all tips and comments The first small problem has arrived Yesterday I held the turbo at the right position. Me and my mechanic saw that the wastegate touches the engine. So we need to make a new bracket and relocate the wastegate. Today there is a new wastegate installed on the T19 but it´s too hard. I will reuse the original wastegate from TB28, so I can use the ECU + EBV for boost control. Do anyone think there will be a problem?
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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11/04/2008 12:25
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as per the last thread I started on wastegates and actuators, I'd guess if the leverage is similar, hence similar power is needed to operate the wastegate, shouldn't be a problem...
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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14/05/2008 05:06
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Hey Freddan, sounds interesting...
so if you have to cut the DP and weld a new flange onto it (which diameter and flange type btw), what is the benefit of it as opposed to the Garretts ???
apart from that, what do you pay for a 19T - are they cheaper than the GTs ??
Greetz Jochen
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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14/05/2008 18:19
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looks like a nice turbo, good operating range from the look of the flow map and a slightly higher efficiency than the garret. looks like a good choice to me so far, i hope you dont have too much of a problem fitting it.
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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15/05/2008 01:14
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Hey Freddan, sounds interesting...
so if you have to cut the DP and weld a new flange onto it (which diameter and flange type btw), what is the benefit of it as opposed to the Garretts ???
apart from that, what do you pay for a 19T - are they cheaper than the GTs ??
Greetz Jochen Hi Jochen, The turbine outlet is 2.5". I will use this flange see pic here . The downpipe is 2.75". Hopefully the exhaust gases can escape pretty fast Compared with the GT28RS it should spool up better and hold boost better at the top. But I will only know for sure after I have visited the RR My turbo was a cheaper alternative than a GT28RS. looks like a nice turbo, good operating range from the look of the flow map and a slightly higher efficiency than the garret. looks like a good choice to me so far, i hope you dont have too much of a problem fitting it.
Thank you! Let´s hope for the best.
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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15/05/2008 17:52
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Freddan - are you 100% sure the exhaust will fit on the end? I replaced my turbo the other week and it was pretty tight in there.
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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17/05/2008 18:08
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On the T5, I dont think anyone runs higher than 1.4bar with the 19T, in the UK at least. Not sure what the swedes do. 99% of those that upgrade to the 19T have come from either a 15G or a 16T turbo, their usual comment is that the 19T feels laggy.
Ive been driven around in 2 T5s with a 19T and a GT2871R and id choose the Garrett over the 19T any day. Whether it was the difference between the 19T havinga 2.5ltr engine compared to the GT that had a 2.3 I dont know, or the mapping, but the GT28 felt more powerfull and was a league above the 19T.
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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26/06/2008 10:31
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Good work Looks like a very stock installation, and hopfully it looks like the heatseild will fit without haking it Ben
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Re: It´s time for a new turbo - Mitsubishi 19T
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15/07/2008 22:33
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Sounds good. How is spool up and how low in the rev range do you get boost? I haven´t checked so much. I have 1 bar at 3000 rpm (4th gear), 1.3 bar at 3500 rpm (+/- 200 rpm). I will check it more properly after the RR. This week I will install a FPR and head to the RR next week. I post result a.s.a.p.
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