The UK's most powerful 16VT??

Well, the year of the big power Coupes continues. This time it's a 16VT record that's been broken - and I didn't even mean to!

These latest dyno results came from a new Kinugawa Turbo setup that I developed and have been putting through its paces. The ultimate aim being to release the new setup as a bolt-on kit for Coupes if it performed well. The aim wasn't to break records, just to gather data. As you'll see from the results, it performs very well! I'll post up more about the Kinugawa turbo build and its performance in the Tuning forum soon.

Kinugawa TD06 25G SL2


If you're dyno testing an engine for anything other than pub bragging rights, then thoroughness and repeatability are absolutely paramount. I last dyno'd my Coupe running Turbonetics T3/T04e 50-trim. At the time I ran it on a Dyno Star first, followed by a Dyno Dynamics just out of interest to see what the difference in results was (I use both of these dynos regularly for mapping customers cars).

So when it came to testing the new setup I did exactly the same thing; first I remapped the ECU on the DD rollers to suit the new turbo, then I did power runs on the DS and DD. As many parameters as possible were controlled in order to make the results; boost, tyres, tyre pressures, Shootout settings on DD and ramp rates on the DS were all kept identical to the previous settings used earlier in the year. Even the atmospheric pressures happened to be the same!

I have to admit we were shocked by the results from the DS rollers! So much so that we did two more power runs and trawled through all dyno settings to make sure there wasn't anything amiss. There wasn't, so that's what it made on that dyno!

Dyno Dynmics:
413 bhp ATF / 352 bhp ATW, 395 lbsft @1.55 bar
(previously 396 bhp ATF / 337 bhp ATW, 379 lbsft)


Previous and latest compared



Dyno Star:
451 bhp ATF / 410 bhp ATW, 440 lbsft ATF / 414 lbsft ATW @ 1.55
(previously 399 bhp ATF, 362 bhp ATW / 440 lbsft ATF, 390 lbsft ATW)
ATF:


ATW:


So there we have it; no matter which results you want to compare with, DD or DS, flywheel-power or wheel-power, the results are irrefutable: Unless there's another 16VT out there that we don't know about, this is the most powerful 16VT in the UK right now.
The results also prove that Voodoo Tuning knows how to make mean-ass 16VTs

If this is the most powerful how long will it be before another Coupe comes along to break this record? Who knows. I don't care either - as long as I have something to do with creating it!

Begbie....where are you?

Wow!!

Can't make out the boost trace on the DS graph... Does it show max boost now 400 revs earlier (@4800) than before?? (5200)...
Which turbine housing are you using ,8 or 10 cm?
Billet comp wheel??

Nick

Ps... Well done dude

Congrats, KJ! We're seeing more and more UK record breaking Coupes. Keep them coming

Cheers guys. Nick, it's the 8cm housing. I started with then 10cm housing, as recommended by Kinugawa themselves, but spooled far too slowly. Yes, this TD06 spools a good 400 rpm sooner than the Turbonetics - and it doesn't surge at part-throttle either. Cast wheel with anti-surge cover. Awesome turbo so far.

I'll post up a thread on the Kinugawa turbo soon, along with a graph that shows the difference in boost more clearly.

Thought so.... Spool seems really good for such a big comp wheel!!
Suppose it's spooling quicker due to 8cm turbine house being .57 where as your turbonetics was .63?
What size is the kinugawa turbine wheel compared to your old set up??
There is a 'billet' comp wheel available also at extra cost from kinugawa... Do you think this would give faster still spool and a smigeon more top end?
Intrigued!!!

Nick

Kj hats off to you.
Well done to all involved .

Well done KJ.

Just goes to show the tuner's skill set, when hardware works in unison with software, rather than cobbling stuff together.

Congrats KJ well done

Well done KJ!! Awesome results!!

Congrats, great results!

Begbie

Nice results Never heard of a Kinugawa turbo before though!

I'd still be curious to a dyno day with our 2 cars to see the differences in torque / power.

Willy wavers

Another chap enquired with me about the billet comp wheels too. I've contacted with Kinugawa about them and I'm waiting to hear what they say ATM. If these billet wheels are sound worthwhile it would be nice to offer the billet version of this turbo as part of the upgrade kit I'm working on.

I'm going to put up a thread about the build in the Tuning section soon. I'll include some comparison pics of the comps and turbines They'r different sizes and also different in shape too.

That's what the DD printout is for!

Kinugawa. Yeah they're fairly new and unheard of, but they're not the usual Chinese Garrett knock-offs. I thought I'd take a chance on them with my own car and find out if they're any good. Next the plan is to do the same with my 20VT; select and test a Kinugawa turbo. If it works well, develop an upgrade kit. It's nice to give people a different option from the usual tried and tested Garrett range.

I know it's what the DD printout is for, but we discussed about getting both our cars on the same dyno on the same day

Looks like the title has been taken now clicky

Easy come easy go! I'll just have to settle for most powerful 2 litre

BTW, apologies, we didn't get to finish speaking at the Pinin Rally. Did you see my craftily stowed note?

Good read that, who is it? On here?

It's someone that is banned from here.

Is it 1NRO??

Soon..... Very soon! Lol

Nope, I think Nick would hit you with a very big stick for that. Anyway, 1NRO isn't banned from here

Martin??? The guy that 1NRO always seemed tobe arguing with??!!

What was his forum name then? Intrigued as he is obviously pretty clued up.

Do a search technics. Although I hadn't realised he was banned (probably forgot though)

If you search back over 1NRO's posts, you'll find the chap in question quite quickly.

Me either??

Everyone's getting their "Martins" mixed up. The owner of this car - and rainer on my parade (for now ) is Martin Crabtree!

Is he Shirley's brother??!

[Google's "Sirley Crabtree"] lol!

Well I like the look of the graphs at the start of this thread much more than the ones pompously shown by deltaparts.
All that effort, ported cylinderhead, bespoke manifolds and the legend (in his own mind) behind it and it's hardly a pub brag max HP above KJ's much simpler work. Poor attempt IMO.

Technics, don't fool yourself, he's nowt like what he makes out to be, bumbling amateur at best.

It's certainly not me, I'd be ashamed to show that kind of effort.

I googled shirley crabtree too

Nothing like some of the photos saved on his photobucket though, some of them are a bit iffy

@ 1NRO please keep your views of Deltaparts off this forum.

Back onto the topic of the thread, does this mean the power race is close to breaking 500bhp for a UK 16VT coupe. Anyone working on it?

Well I'm not doing anything, I'm happy with what I have, but if I wanted more power, I could just slap a GT35 on, dis-like the boost threshold and just be spinning my wheels everywhere and breaking gearboxes at the same time. As for kj16v, he's been strangely quiet of recent

makes a lot of sense to me that....

After further reading, it seems the chap already mentioned over on pistonheads is talking of 500bhp in the near future. He has some eletrical issues but seems to think he's on the case. I guess he has gearboxes and engines a plenty lined up in the spares yard.

I think in terms of performance, the italians showed that most of the capability can be reached with 400bhp, lightened body and 4wd gear from the lancia platform.

Congrats!

If I'll find an insurance at a reasonable price, I'll bring my 530 CV and 69 Kgm 16v Turbo AWD here... I can't wait!

I'm a little bit surprised to not see hard tuned 16v engines... I come from Italy, where is definitely the most known, tuned and used in dragraces.

Finnish x1/9 guy built a new engine: 648,3hp/7894 rpm, 651.9 Nm/6570 rpm @ 1,57 bar.

Have you got any specs or pics

Its the same one that was mentioned here

Some pics and specs at: haakana-motorsport.com

After ignition upgrade: 735 hp / 776 Nm @ 2 bar

What ignition system you now running MSD?

Hi,

Same X1/9 made 326 km/h (202.57 mph) in 1 Mile standing start competition last Saturday in Lappeenranta/Finland.

Fastest motorcycle made 407 km/h (252.9 mph).

E85 fuel is now totally IN in Finland (that is pump fuel as well by us).

Results from that competition: http://www.liy.fi/tulokset/
Left hand side "Moottoripyörät" = motorcycles and right hand side "Autot" = cars.
First reg plate, start time, 1/4 mile, top speed etc.

-Jari-

PS. hopefully I get my coupe back on road by next summer...

10.98 1/4 and 202.57 mph mile not bad

Hi,

Car owner has published a video in Youtube of his X1/9.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWjiuab-K_o&feature=youtu.be

-Jari-