"No Longer a Perfect Touch Employee Rob at http://www.trracing.co.uk/"

http://www.tweenierob.co.uk/

Just stumbled across this thread

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/102795-fao-tweenierob.html

If that is the case and he is working on his own, or with his own outfit then he's got my vote anyday.....the tr racing website does not seem to be working....would like to know how to get hold of him.

Have a read of the linked thread Suba, he's left his mobile number on page two (I think)

I know - but dont want to inundate him! Sure he get's lots of calls.

He will now he's published his number on t'internet!

So does this not take away the reason for going to PT, and are you still going to get your car mapped there J?

No I am booked in with Rob for next week . I've had his number for a while now anyway . Rob is the only reason why I went to PT. I know of somebody else who can also live map our cars if Rob is unavailable as he is a very very very busy mapper.

Are you booked in with Rob @ Perfect Touch or with Rob elsewhere?

Given he no longer works at PT, my money would be on the fact that he's using another RR.

Or if you read the thread on the GTR you will see he has access to RR's all over the country and prefers road mapping rather than the dyno

I've sent a text to Rob so that we can sort out an ongoing FCCUK relationship with him - he's obviously in heavy demand, but he's the best thing we currently have for sorting highly modded Coupes

You will not be able to get hold of Rob most of the time as it’s a nightmare espically if your not in his phone book He doesn’t reply to texts/voice mails. I can get hold of him 'sometimes'. You guys have nothing to worry about he is setting up things but mapping will no longer be at PT. I am in contact with him and will be the next person from here to visit so I will inform all of the future once he explains it all. Don’t worry live mapping is still here

Could you ask him if he is still able to map unichips.

Thanks

Yes he can still map EVERYTING

Any if you can't get Rob to map, I know of someone else

who and where?

So do I But Rob knows the 20VT inside out and is cheaper

All in good time



I'll be interested to see, but from what I've been made aware on, mapping at PT / Rob isn't the best for the 20vt

Well like all businesses there are good and bad news, and bad news always travels further. I have always been happy with Robs work and will continue to use him for any future jobs too

thats what you said about your rebuild

I can't talk

Agreed. There will be a few options I'm sure soon...

TurboJ,

I am definitely interested in Rob's services, he did a fine job on my 20VT and I am more than happy to use him again. I look forward to details on how to access his services in future. Thanks

There is an undercurrent on this thread, it seems to me, trying to undermine Rob's work, which I feel just isn't fair.
Rob has done Exceptional work making High power 20VT's accessable for those of us without £1,000+ to spend, and has assisted in the development of coupe engines with 350bhp+.
I will be going back to Rob for my next remap whenever he surfaces (and I need one).
There isn't a proven, better option at the moment, and as things move forward I am sure Rob will move with the times.

Rant over, apologies if I have offended anyone, but Rob did excellent work on my car at a time when there was no other option and I just wanted to spell that out.
Cheers,
Ben.

There will be soon.



Ben no matter what mapper/tuner you use there will be good and bad reports, despite what some garages may claim. If you're happy that's the main thing, and I know that there are many other people on here that have used PT/Rob and will continue to do so. Each to their own and all that.

So there is an undercurrent. I am with Rob !

Turns out I maybe wrong here. Phoned up PT and you can still book in with PT and Rob will live map your car.

I'm confused as to what is going on. I hope rob comes on here and clears things up.

So, he no longer works for PT, he works for himself, but PT will hire his services if you want it mapped there?

I think so...

Well... Its 23:45 and i'm still at work so i'll try and post a few bits up quickly.

I no longer work for perfect touch, the time came wher ei could no longer work 8 hours a day (on top of my hours at perfect touch) lol
I am so snowed under at the moment it is is going to realistically take me around 2 months to get back onto mapping the coupe's. I have been aproached by two fiat tuners to exclusively map coupes for them but feel that is not the way for me.
I am looking to provide the same service as was given at PT but at under half the price, there are other companies offering this service now and good luck to them. I'm not mapping your cars based on what i can do to my own car (which made 1204hp atw last week for comedy value) but on experience.
Its funny how i have just read another thread on here saying i mapped a car too lean and that is the reason the car couldnt be mapped that day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You either know what you are doing or you dont
Its all well and good offering a mapping service, but experience goes a long way (To the US in fact).
Thanks for everyones support, ive had the opportunity to not only map some great cars but drive some bloody quick ones also.

Regards

Rob

Experience always goes a long way....

That's what I tell the Mrs...

Now we know where this is aimed! But for us guys looking for maps in the near future, this banter ain't helping any one.

Well honestly, where do I start… It’s a real shame that despite only posting once in a blue moon on this forum, you feel the need to denigrate someone else and their efforts so readily. You may note that over the last two years I have kept my personal views regarding your service and mapping abilities to myself, if you can find a bad word published on this forum then do tell… until now. Having been in business for over 10 years, I have neither the time or interest to get embroiled in disparaging other peoples work or abilities on internet forums. However, for you I shall now make an exception given that you have already done likewise without provocation or any knowledge.

For those that don’t know, I was a customer of Rob (and at the time Perfect Touch) dating from the end of 2006 through to the Summer of 2007. During that time I made 5 trips at a total cost of almost £1500 with the net result being my car still didn’t run right, in fact it NEVER did. My situation is somewhat different to many on here in that I have a highly modified coupe that required larger fuel injectors i.e. 440cc. My options were to go standalone e.g. Motec, or re-map the standard ecu, I chose the latter as Rob convinced me he could do it successfully. Had I known then what I would know almost a year later, I wouldn’t have wasted my time or money because it simply didn’t work.

1. Idle was invariably too rich i.e. 11-13 afr
2. Cold start , what cold start? i.e. for the first few minutes it wouldn’t idle at all and was very hard to drive on light throttle… way too lean.
3. Wide open throttle low down was super rich, low 10 and 11 afr, should be close to stoich i.e. 14.7
4. Part throttle when cruising wasn’t under lambda control i.e. either too rich or too lean
5. Wide open throttle coming on boost would be very rich hitting 9 afr before leaning out into the 10s, 11s and then at the top 12s, with the Unichip it was hitting 13s & 14s midrange.
6. 3rd gear - towards redline ran way too lean i.e. 12.5+
7. 4th gear - just about managed to hold onto 11s
8. 5th gear - well a few know of my problems at TOTB and Fighting Torque where I couldn’t use 5th gear at all therefore killing my top speed attempts. What was happening, it was running sooooo rich midrange it was killing the spark even at part throttle so a totally useless gear.

I should note that the above experiences are from my final re-map in the Summer of 2007, the ones in between were on occasion even worse where I had to revert to standard injectors.

Beyond the actual problems with the mapping, what I found even more insulting as a paying customer was a litany of accusations, underhand actions.

1. After my first mapping session in Nov ’06, I was due to renew my MOT in December. Following the re-map my car was idling at 11.2 afr, for those that don’t know that is the same fueling requirement as wide open throttle on full boost. A normal idle is around 14.7 i.e. stoich, and this is required for passing the emissions test. Knowing this was the case I decided to put my standard injectors back in with a standard chip. However, upon opening the ECU I found the eprom had been potted (glued) into the socket. It took me almost 3 hours to slowly excavate the chip without doing damage to the chip or ECU. I should note at no time was I told this had been done or more importantly asked permission, it is my property after all. Their suggestion was use two ECUs…

2. My second session in February ’07 was to correct a number of the problems from the original map. This resulted in the worst map of all where the car was barely driveable. However, to make matters worse I was told at the end of the day when the work had been completed that the map had been 50% via the main ECU and 50% via the Unichip. Why? There was no technical reason, Rob simply didn’t want anyone copying the chip i.e. me, and trying to sell it. So, as a PAYING CUSTOMER, I was neither informed or asked if this would be acceptable. Less than a week later I had to bypass the Unichip and install the standard injectors as the car was undriveable especially in the depths of winter.

To top this, when paying I asked for my original chip back i.e. the one I drove in with from the first re-map. After a few minutes arguing and then waiting, I eventually got the chip back. Don’t forget I had already paid for this back in Nov ’06 so it was my property. Anyway, a few miles down the road I decide to try the original chip and of course it didn’t work, car wouldn’t start. So having driven in with that chip, 8 hours later it doesn’t work at all (I have subsequently checked the chip and it is blank). I advised PT of the problem and asked for a copy of the original chip to be posted on a few occasions, it never arrived.

3. Despite all these problems, I either had to stick with PT or spend £3k on a standalone system. I phoned PT to voice my concerns but instead of getting a helpful response I was confronted with a barrage of accusations. It turns out that someone has a copy of a PT chip and that of course came from me??!! It wasn’t one of my “perfect” 440cc chips, I have somehow been selling other peoples chips on the side. Of course this is/was totally untrue, in fact I will publicly ask now, who has bought a chip off me over the last year for running a 300bhp+ turbo? That would be a BIG FAT ZERO.

So having cleared that up, another accusation comes my way that a 2.4 coupe came in with one of my chips. Oh right, that would be Taz from on here who I LEANT one of my chips to try on his recent 2.4 conversion. This was my chip, I paid for it, and I simply let Taz try it for FREE. I said it would probably work better given the extra displacement and offset the rich running, if so book yourself in at PT and get a full remap. Taz was toying with the idea of going Motec or trying the standard ECU. Guess what, the chip worked slightly better for Taz so he booked a session with PT and a got a re-map! So, I get accused of selling chips but in fact PT get a job from me???!!! Despite this revelation, I am told that it was still illegal and that it wasn’t my chip to loan?? The fact is, the chip contents are the intellectual property of PT/Rob, despite it being Bosch code, therefore I can’t loan it or sell it (even in the car?)… what am I paying for then?

So there you have it, that’s what I got for £1500… nice. I have kept quiet for more than a year, like I said at the start I have no interest in this type of engagement but when I am denigrated so readily, well the truth must out.

So moving on, why have I set-up FC Performance? Well I don’t “need” the money, I do pretty well from my other companies. It’s quite simple, after TOTB ’07 I decided that PT were no longer an option a. They couldn’t do the job, £1500 lighter is testament to all the problems and a failing car b. What sort of customer receives such treatment, I didn’t realise they were doing me a favour and I was subject to such accusations… did I mention I paid for this? As a result I decided to figure it all out myself so I could do the job myself. I didn’t have the luxury of professional software (Dimsport, Italy), £5000s+ which require no knowledge of the Bosch ECU, simply plug in with a nice GUI as found on a Motec or Unichip and off you go. I figured it all out from the ground up, raw hex code, a LOT of time spent going through code, research on the internet and testing with my own car. Just one goal, I wanted to be able to map my own car correctly.



Well guess what, my coupe now runs great, 95% as good as a stock coupe which is a result of all my efforts. All the problems listed above gone… ALL of them. Not bad for a rank amateur…

I don’t profess to be the worlds greatest mapper, who does? I honestly respect Rob as a mapper (customer service no, but then we are the little guys). He is almost God within the Skyline community but this is the coupe community, smaller, less options and different hardware. All I can do is share my knowledge and abilities with the coupe community so that others might benefit. Of course it’s not totally altruistic, I will get paid for my efforts but as I said before it’s not about the money. I know coupes pretty darn well, I’m not perfect but I don’t bullsh*t, and I certainly won’t just send you on your way if I don’t think things are right.



When it comes down to it, I am mapping your car based on what I have done to my car and my experience (it's a coupe btw). The difference is I had to do it because nobody else could…

Rob,

When you are back on Coupes I'd like you to re-map my car for that bit extra, now that I have the Helix organic clutch fitted. Car running just fine at 300bhp 1.2 bar, but I know that you pulled it back a bit due to clutch slip.

Please keep us posted on your availability.
cheers
Mark

Flea this is probably what started the banter:



Luke may have said it but it’s what you told him that made him write the above.

I'm sure there is another side to you long story you wrote and would be interesting to see if rob replies however I think this bantering is not good for the whole community. Rob has mapped many coupes and is a top mapper. It’s good to see you’re getting involved and very passionate about your new job but all this bickering in public in NOT called for. Remember that rob was working for PT so he was always under the direction of the boss, now Rob is mobile I’m sure the service will be even better. (I’ll let you know next week)

How did you reach that conclusion Jason? I looked at his Surrey RR graph from Nov '07 before even taking the car out and explained that on that day it was fueling between 12-13.3 afr from 4500rpm to redline which would surprise anyone, no?. I then checked the fueling myself (10 months later) which confirmed it was running too lean at the top and rich coming on boost i.e very similar. These were just the facts, but I can understand why Luke was and is concerned.

This "banter" as you call it was instigated by one person. There is simply no need for him to resort to such vacuous commentary, especially without any foundation, afterall it was Rob who mapped Luke's car.

I apologise to everyone for the previous long post but unfortunately there was a lot to say. Bickering it certainly is not. If I had wanted to go public with this I would have done so long ago but I will not accept such insidious behaviour when the indictments fall squarely in the other direction. Indeed there is more but I have resolved to leave it there for the moment.

"You either know what you are doing or you don't"

That comment makes me cringe most of all. If "they" had known what they were doing then we really wouldn't be having this conversation, it's that simple. I know my car won't make 1200bhp, even for comedy value, but thankfully now it will function like a normal road car (that's what it is), oh and of course make 400-500bhp. How is it I can make my car run right "if I don't know what I am doing" and the professional "who does know what he's doing" can't after five long attempts... was £1500 not enough?

Akeme's car (at the time) had a cracked manifold and a loose turbo/5 stud adapter conection on the day of the surrey rolling road visit.

not the best reading to go by, the current reading is the only one to be concerned of.

All I am saying is that this comment “basically the map done on the unichip by perfect touch was not too good.” is what started the bickering, that’s all.

hmm....


interesting sides to both stories.

I will NOT get engaged in this too much, however as Flea has said, YES, I did borrow HIS chip just to get me to PT & remember I DID mention it quite clearly to Rob that I was borrowing the chip ( never paid ) just so I could get my coop mapped. Yes It had / still has a few probs....and Rob tried hard to map mine, even with the damn waste gate rod popping off !

My 1st time since I had a MOT, the emissions were miles out, even at idle, 7%CO etc....in the end, chucked in the old novitec & just about passed. ..

HOWEVER I have changed the variator after the session ( about 1 week before Barbz went abroad ) , as it was seized & Rob did point this out to me during the run, hence it only made 384hp. Since I've changed the variator, I've never made it back, simply cos I've never bothered to fit my new FMIC & gearbox cooler ( work is taking up my time ), however I'm gathering pace again

I simply haven't driven the coop more than say 600 miles since the mapping & haven't taken it above 3.5k since changing the variator, but it's obvious the map has drited a tad ( to be expected ).

There are 2 sides to a discussion & I hope both parties walk away from this, but it's worth my contribution on this one.

Taz